Sharpiejas Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hi, i have been intrested in the stars since i was young but have just started getting more focused after watching Cox's Wonders of the Solar System. I wanted to get a starter telescope but was wondering if i would end up being disapointed because of light pollution, i live in London (Wood Green). When i look up from my back garden, there is a light haze in the sky always. My back garden is small and enclosed, so there is no problem from street lights. I guess i am just looking for someone to say they cope well in urban areas and so to give me the confidence to go forward.Thanks for any advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewok Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hi Sharpiejas and welcome.I'm sorry but exactly where in London is Wood Green ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentronix Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Although its horrible and we would be far better off with less light pollution it is possible to kind of work around it. Your lucky not to have streetlamps and security lights in your vision too really When I am really after something dim or want the best view I can I wait until objects are as close to overhead as possible, that helps lots. Also you can use a LPF (light pollution filter). Mine was about £20, it specifically filters out the kind of light from man made sources but leaves the rest. I haven't actually got to test it too much yet, too much cloud pollution Allowing your eyes to get fully dark adapted is important too. You will see things start to pop out of the haze.I am in harrow which I suspect has similar levels to yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpiejas Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 North London, five mins from alexandra palace and 10 mins from the spurs football ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewok Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Oh I see, I was going to say that if you lived over near Hainault, Hainault forest is a reasonable dark sky site ( according to my sister in law ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrin6 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 You could concentrate on observing the moon, planets and double stars which arn't as effected by light pollution as galaxies and nebulae. There's a lifetime of study and enjoyment in just those objects. You need a good finder or perhaps even 2 ie a 6 X 30 and one of larger light grasp so you can see faint stars through the pollution to locate clusters and doubles. Can you drive to a darker location to fullfill hankerings for faint fuzzies too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrin6 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I've read that light pollution filters dont help with galaxies because their light is partly made up of the same frequencies as the unwanted light. Galaxies are different from some gaseous nebulae which have a narrower range of frequencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyond_Vision Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Welcome to SGL RegardsKevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan of Borg Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hello and welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kniclander Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I am quite near you and tbh it's moon, planets, a few clusters and a couple of dozen of the brightest fuzzies. filters do not help at all for seeing galaxies but will potentially help for certain other nebulae (planetary nebulae particularly). Having said that, moon and planets can keep you happy for a long long time and you can get a lovely refractor without worrying when people say "aperture is king blah blah blah":)ps - i should just mention that there are no stars shine within 5 miles of WHL - never have been, never will be.oh, except pat jennings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I have terrible light pollution due to a railway yard almost in my garden. It really is a case of moon and planets only, plus the occasional look at a double star or bright cluster. It's enough to keep you ticking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldfruit Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi and welcome to SGL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillc Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hello Sharpiejas and a warm welcome to SGL.phillc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Oh i should have first said:Hello and welcome to SGL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Wendy Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I lived in Wood Green for about 6 years and now live a few miles up the road. As others have said, the moon, planets and double stars are not really affected by light pollution. The brighter star clusters can also still be spectacular even from North London. Light Pollution filters will not achieve a great deal from my experience. I suspect a large scope with a narrow bandwidth filter might be more successful than my 4" setup, but ultimately I regard a lot of my backyard stargazing as "practice" for when I can get to a dark sky site. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Wendy Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 …incidentally Enfield council, where I now live, are replacing all their streetlights with new light-pollution reducing ones - massive improvement!Maybe Haringey will follow suit… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowjet Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hio Sharpiejas, a warm welcome to the SGL forum.John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd8137 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 h and welcome lpf filters may give you a bit more of a chance but not 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi and welcome to the forum.Is there any chance of you joining a local astro club/observation group to see if they go observing from a dark site?Clear skiesJames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colan Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I live in Edmonton (North London) so am now hopeful the Street light upgrades make it to my area as we come under Enfield council also.I have a cheep and nasty scope (30 quid from shopping channel) and I get to see some reasonable stuff.On a clear night I get a good Jupiter view.Cant wait to upgrade but have been forbidden untill I get a new shed, no space left in house :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbytate Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi and welcome to sgl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Spock Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hello, welcome to SGL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightfisher Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 hi and welcome to sgl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brantuk Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi Sharpie and welcome to SGL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWR Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi and welcome to SGL.I live just down the road from Heathrow and have terrible light pollution but as others have said you can still enjoy astronomy as long as you are selective about your targets. You want bright compact objects as opposed to large diffuse ones. Planets, double stars, clusters and even some nebulae are good. Galaxies are really hard.Again repeating advice, but I also found that improving my finderscope was crucial. My scope came with a red-dot finder, but with no magnification I often couldn't make out guide stars. I upgraded to a Rigel Quikfinder (to get me in the rough area) and a 9x50 finder scope.HTHAndrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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