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What telescope and eyepiece showed you the Veil


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Hi all,

I thought it would be fun to get an idea of what scope and eyepiece first showed you a full visual of the veil nebula.

Being such a large object I wanted to get an idea of what equipment people have succeeded with.

I was planning on using a widefield Televue or Pentax XW with an 80mm or fast f/6 100mm ED Refractor. My dob at the moment will never show it, or the larger one I plan to get in the future.

Cheers,

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31mm Type 5 Nagler in a 106mm Astrotech EDT apo with OIII filter does the job. Needs a dark site really but this combo gives a 3.68° field. Very lovely combination for lots of the bigger stuff.

41mm Panoptic gives just over 4° but strangely I've never tried it on the Veil.

Stu

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Some interesting setups, along the lines of what I was thinking.

Does anyone have any advice on how the UHC and OIII filters compare on the veil? I am going to guess the latter is the one in favour. Unfortunately I don't have one :)

I guess in the nature of it being a nebula, it is best viewed with a large dob which can gather the most light. As opposed to a widefield refractor that can fit it all in but not show as much.

A 31 Nager would give a nice 2.0 degrees of sky in a 200p and 1.6 in a 12" f/5 dob...

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I've seen it pretty well from the garden in my 10" and a 32mm Plossl (I know!) with a UHC. This year I'll have a 2 inch 32mm 70 degree FOV one so that will give me a better/bigger view. I was able to see it without a filter and I preferred the unfiltered view. It is beautiful.

Bart

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Interesting Bart, you dont find the 6.7mm exit pupil too much then? I found it made placing my eye a little difficult. So I tried the 24mm Panoptic which gives the same field and haven't looked back since.

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you must have amazing skies!!

Moonshane.

Should I not be able to see it? I'll admit I had difficulty finding it at first, but once I found it, I could spot it most nights it was high in the sky. Maybe a OIII will bring more of it into view, but unfiltered, I could scan from the Eastern to the Western veil.

However, I long to see the North American neb and cant find it. I think its so big I cant get definition.

Bart

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I had the exactly problem the whole time it was last in season :)

Its one of my goals this year. Along with going right through Virgo and maybe getting M7, it is very, very low in the sky where I am though.

WRT to the exit pupil, no didn't find any problem. When i got the 10". I got a 32mm Erfle and i find it quite a good EP. Easy to use. Few seagulls in the corners, but nothing too bad. Hope to get more of the Veil with that this year.

Bart

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I had some great views last year with the 28mm Uwan and Olll combo. This also gave a 2* field so not enough to see the whole complex in one go but pretty spectacular all the same. Its a bit of a trade off i reckon, view it with a fast apo for huge 3-4* swaths of sky or compromise some of the fov for a brighter image with a bigger dob. I'm looking forward to it this time round with the 12" scope although the fov will be smaller than with the 8" scope it should be significantly brighter.

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Moonshane.

Should I not be able to see it? I'll admit I had difficulty finding it at first, but once I found it, I could spot it most nights it was high in the sky. Maybe a OIII will bring more of it into view, but unfiltered, I could scan from the Eastern to the Western veil.

However, I long to see the North American neb and cant find it. I think its so big I cant get definition.

Bart

with good dark skies yes, it's certainly visible with your scope. I just wish I had such skies! :)

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The Veil is one of the targets I searched for for ages from my South London back garden with telescopes of varying sizes, but always failed.:)

Eventually, I saw the Veil (North America Nebula too, as I recall) for the first time from southern France using a low power eyepiece and a TV-85. The right skies make all the difference.

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200mm newt, 32mm plossl, Lumicon UHC filter, from mag 5 skies.

I regularly see it with a 150mm with the UHC as well, looking forwards to the summertime and I'll try the 80mm and a wide-field eyepiece and see what happens.

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Seeing the Veil was one of the knockout moments for me. Used a ZS80, 30mm Moonfish clone and Castell OIII filter to find it from my modestly light polluted back garden. It was surprisingly obvious with the filter, and just barely visible without once I knew what to look for.

UHC filters are only marginally better than none in my skies.

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