Man on the Moon

[Zakalwe]

@ the OP: If you other half is anyway near serious, then get her to wander over to ApolloHoax.net and post her ideas up. She will get a full and frank analysis from the guys and gals over there, many of whom work in spacecraft design and engineering.

[Stu]

Sounds like they were just having a good healthy debate, nowt wrong with that

Stu

[Cath]

My niece doesn't believe anyone has ever been into space, When she was about 16 I gave her an expensive hard back book full of wonderful solar system pictures and lots of info but she threw it away in total disbelief.

I hate to think what goes through some peoples minds as they go through life. The world must appear so ummmmm, well I dunno to be honest

[Zakalwe]

Yes Stu, many thanks for the response. Me and the other half have great conversations playing devils advocate and I needed the backup this time! She is now more convinced!

Evidence?

Here's a few of the top of my head.

380Kgs of Lunar rocks (no they can't have been returned by robot. The Russians tried this and returned 300g of dust).

Saturn V launches- over a million people viewed the Apollo 11 launch (Saturn V launches were visible from over 500 miles away and the launch vibrations were measured all over the world on seismographs)

Multiple independent sources of tracking information (including data from Jodrell Bank and amateur astronomers, some of whom visually saw the boosters dumping fuel in cisLunar space)

The Lunar reflectors.

Over 400,000 people involved directly and indirectly, not one of whom has ever said that the program was false.

Literally millions of pieces of documentation that explain in minute detail how every element of the program worked. These are hosted on the NASA Technical Resource severs and are freely available

Hundreds of photographs all publicly available from a variety of indexed sources. Not one of those images have ever shown evidence of doctoring.

Analysis of Earth's cloud patterns. Images from the Apollo program have been matched to the weather stats and the cloud patterns have matched perfectly.

[Alastair Rae]

The Wikipedia article goes into a lot on detail. But for what it's worth, it'll be hard to convince someone who's determined not be convinced.

[Zakalwe]

But for what it's worth, it'll be hard to convince someone who's determined not be convinced.

^^This^^

If someone wishes to be wilfully ignorant then there's very little that you can (or indeed should) say. Best to leave them alone to wallow in their own ignorance. For every one of those there are probably tens of others that want to learn.

[Fordos Moon]

Chaps many thanks we can ease if now, Stu hit the nail on the head and the evidence has done the job, I didn't know most if those things so a big thanks for your responses much appreciated, thank you :-)

[Stu]

"Yes Stu, many thanks for the response. Me and the other half have great conversations playing devils advocate and I needed the backup this time! She is now more convinced!"

Come on chaps, this is the OP's other half and it seems they were having a quite understandable debate where she was playing devil's advocate and seems to have been convinced by the arguments.

Stu

[goodricke1]

I always respond by asking whether they believe there is a moon or not.

Funnily enough that's the argument Einstein used to 'disprove' quantum mechanics. But I suppose that's another story entirely...

[stonemonkeylives]

Instead of starting a whole new thread for this question, and it being related to this thread. Could anyone recommend a good book on the Apollo missions or the moon landings, preferably no conspiracy theory books please. Thank you.

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[E621Keith]

Ask NASA.

It's darned risky and very expensive perhaps are two reasons. The political drive is no longer there either so that's another. Lets not get into the latter though - forum rules and all that

It difficult to talk about the Apollo moon program without a little bit of politics, after all it was a product of the Cold War. However, I will try to keep it to the absolute minimum.

The political drive is not there yet. If the Chinese moon program really proceed as scheduled then in 10 years time I doubt the US public (and possibly Russian) will allow their government to do nothing. The Chinese won't stop because they are having a mini space race with India at the moment.

Incidentally, if Apollo didn't land on the moon, USSR (Russia) would have pump much more money into their manned moon program and won't have cancelled it.

To be honest, with today's technology it shouldn't be too hard to send people back to the moon. It will be expensive, but probably not Apollo expensive. After all many of the technology already exists and some (such as communication and guidance system) are used for probes, and others (such as life support) are used in ISS.

[beamish]

Instead of starting a whole new thread for this question, and it being related to this thread. Could anyone recommend a good book on the Apollo missions or the moon landings, preferably no conspiracy theory books please. Thank you.

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"Moon Dust" Andrew Smith

"The Man Who Ran The Moon" Piers Bizony

" A Man on the Moon " Andrew Chaikin

"Apollo 13" Jim Lovell & Jeffrey Kluger ( basis for the film)

"Carrying the Fire- An Astronaut's Journey" Michael Collins

"First Man: The Life of Neil Armstrong" Neil Hansen ( only official biography)

.should keep you going

[Yimini]

Funnily enough that's the argument Einstein used to 'disprove' quantum mechanics. But I suppose that's another story entirely...

I never knew I kept such good company ;-)

[jnb]

My niece doesn't believe anyone has ever been into space, When she was about 16 I gave her an expensive hard back book full of wonderful solar system pictures and lots of info but she threw it away in total disbelief.

That's even more disconcerting than the moon hoax conspiracy mob. Does she offer any reason for that disbelief?

[Zakalwe]

This is one of the best to give a good overview of the technologies:

http://www.amazon.co...50730610&sr=8-1

Also, very very good:

http://www.amazon.co...50730677&sr=1-1

If you want to explore the development of the Apollo Guidance Computer and the early development of Fly-By-Wire and man/machine integration, then Digital Apollo is good:

http://www.amazon.co...50730717&sr=1-1

Of course, there is a wealth of freely available material online. The Apollo Lunar Surface Journal is THE place to go:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/frame.html

It's companion, the Apollo Flight Journal covers off 8 of the flight transcripts.

http://history.nasa.gov/afj/

Access to the images from the various in-flight camera magazines, as well as external imagery can be found at the Project Apollo Image Gallery:

http://www.apolloarc...lo_gallery.html

If you get through that little lot, then the ALSJ bibliography should keep you going for couple of years:

http://www.hq.nasa.g...llo.biblio.html

If you want to get right into the technical details on the Apollo (or other) programs(s), then the NASA Technical Reports Server is a veritable minefield of information:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/?method=aboutntrs

And the Project Apollo Technical Drawings can be found here:

http://history.nasa....ams/apollo.html

That should keep you busy for a bit!

And finally, if you want to explore the wonderful world of how hoax-believers act and get answered, then the Apollohoax forum is a phenomenal resource:

http://www.apollohoax.net/

[Ganymede12]

My niece doesn't believe anyone has ever been into space, When she was about 16 I gave her an expensive hard back book full of wonderful solar system pictures and lots of info but she threw it away in total disbelief.

I hate to think what goes through some peoples minds as they go through life. The world must appear so ummmmm, well I dunno to be honest

Have you showed her the ISS?

[earth titan]

Never argue with an idiot! They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Typed by me on my fone, using fumms... Excuse eny speling errurs.

[stonemonkeylives]

"Moon Dust" Andrew Smith

"The Man Who Ran The Moon" Piers Bizony

" A Man on the Moon " Andrew Chaikin

"Apollo 13" Jim Lovell & Jeffrey Kluger ( basis for the film)

"Carrying the Fire- An Astronaut's Journey" Michael Collins

"First Man: The Life of Neil Armstrong" Neil Hansen ( only official biography)

.should keep you going

Thanks they'll do just nicely

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[Mr Spock]

What? The moon isn't made of cheese?

That does it. I'm not going.