Demonperformer Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 This morning was my first real attempt at getting flats. Using canon. I know I've read somewhere about getting the intensity right using a histogram, but I'm not sure where to do that on EOS Utils program. When I was looking at them on the screen while taking them, there seemed to be quite a lot of vignetting and it was showing up quite clearly, but the end result from DSS (attached) looks rather flat (if you will excuse the pun) in comparison.So does this look reasonable for a flat to you imaging gurus, or do I need to get it a bit more pronounced?Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgs001 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I can't say I've ever looked at the master flat... does it do the job ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychobilly Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 With DSLR's , Shoot the flats in AV mode or if you prefer use AV mode to get the Exposure time and then shoot them in manual at that exposure... Soemtimes when you shoot in AV mode you might end up with groups of flats at two differnet exposures and DSS will only use one or the other - you can edit the exposure time in DSS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikey Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Sorry for the dumb question but how do you know when the exposure time is right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I would have said that was too dark for a flat....As for the vignetting, that is what the flat will show - along with any dust bunnies - as that is what will be subtracted (or divided, can never remember) from the lights.Flats should be 30-50% of saturation, so you would adjust the exposure time to achieve this.I have a flat somewhere on this lappy - I'll go dig it out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychobilly Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 After shooting a test flat you can check the histogram to see where the "peak" is...and adjust the exposure time to suit.. or use AV mode and dial in a bit of exposure compensation if required... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikey Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 That flat would be very useful please Daz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloengaa Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Question. How do I shoot flats with my SPC900 ? and why are flats important ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Thanks to everyone for the responses.Now you've mentioned it, PB, I do remember reading somewhere about setting the camera to AV - will use that tomorrow and see how it compares with todays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_h Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 That flat would be very useful please Daz.Here is a mucky master flat...stretched to show the crud...The sensor has been cleaned now Got to take some more flats tonight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikey Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Thanks Martin, useful to see what the end result should resemble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obscura Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I finished off last night with a bundle of flats -Av - exposure for all was 1/320s. Home made flat field box. Modded 350D with filter removed and with a 2" UV/IR cut filter. Flats reveal the vigging and bunnies. Due to the filter, there is a pinky cast which of course wasn't there before the mod. I assume this is to be expected? If the flats have that then the subs, darks, bias will also have that cast tho' not apparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swag72 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 This was how my flats came out with my DSLR - Apologies for the blue hue, they were taken with the CLS filter in! I used AV +1/3rd of a stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychobilly Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Any color cast in the flats is ignored in the processing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obscura Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Checking the histogram and I am seeing 80% saturation on my pinky flats. These were taken in Av at 1/320s. As aperture is fixed then surely changing to Tv and shutter speed to say 1/640 would reduce exposure on the flats by half. Thus saturation should reduce by up to that factor. Or am I missing a trick again? I'll have to give it a whirl later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 Well, thanks to all the advice I received, this morning produced what I think is a slightly better result. Hardly surprising when Av was taking exposure 5x longer than I took 'judging it by eye' yesterday. I obviously need to be more automated to get better results!Thank you all for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikey Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 These look a lot different to the flats I've just been trying to take with APT. Back to the drawing board with them again I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starflyer Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 They look a lot different to mine too I always take them in manual now as I struggled with too much variation using AV. I shoot what I think will be close and check the histogram with Canon's Zoombrowser | properties. I aim for just past half way and then take 50 to 60 shots.Here's the histogram and a typical, desaturated flat, do these look about right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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