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7he4uthor

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1 have 40 yrs of sky watching travelling south in Winter to dry observation locations.

Sincé 2010 I noticed an EXTREME increase in the Sun's frequency/radiance/power

I am not alone

THE WHITE SUN has become a mojor topic of discussion since 2011

and one thread dates back to 2009 ... which I think when the change began

though being in South America I didnt knowtice till 2010 or so.

I want to know how observers here see the increase in radiation

one writer thinks the sun is becoming a White dwarf star.

THOUGHTS??

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The "Solar cycles" tend to referr to the sunspot cycles and yes we are at or close to a peak.

However I believe there are 2 cycles involved, a short one and a long one. The 11 years one is the short cycle and that is the one we are at the peak of. We are I think near the trough of the long cycle one. So that is keeping the actual number of spots lower then we expect.

As to the White Sun, not aware of any evidence of a significant change, the sun does not tend to do things quick, at least in our timescales. It works in sort of millions of years not 10 years.

As to the OP of the sun will become a white dwarf, yes it will, sometime after it becomes a red giant. That is expected in about 4 or 5 billion years, about the time we bump into the Andromeda galaxy. No idea who "one writer" is but they would do worse then reading up Stellar Evolution, even looking up the H-R diagram will give an idea.

Never heard of "THE WHITE SUN has become a major topic of discussion since 2011"

Would I be more correct in thinking this is trying to stir the pot on global warming ?

If so it is OLD, OLD, OLD and a bit boring.

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7he4uthor

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I have imaged the sun for quite a while (as have others here) and I have not noticed any increase worth speaking of. Satelite data confirm this

Observation is the foundation of all science.

To me my observation and that of over 40 others who speal of this online and over 100 interviews with ppl who notice they burn in minutes now where it took hours yrs ago is enough observation to validate asking others here.

I didnt ask for childish remarks.

I DID ask for observations ... which is science.

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michael.h.f.wilkinson

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Observation is the foundation of all science.

To me my observation and that of over 40 others who speal of this online and over 100 interviews with ppl who notice they burn in minutes now where it took hours yrs ago is enough observation to validate asking others here.

I didnt ask for childish remarks.

I DID ask for observations ... which is science.

I did give observations: my own. Exposure times have not decreased, therefore, the white light output has not increased. I am a scientist, I check both my own data, and those of others. The only activity in recent years, as recorded by me and many others is the recent sunspot maximum, which was a fairly low maximum.

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michael.h.f.wilkinson

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http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=16578&start=30

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2451986/pg1

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message425760/pg1

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/mes

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2712626/pg1

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message935166/pg1

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1717650/pg1

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1776404/pg1

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2241981/pg1

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/search.php?q=white+sun

THESE are all other ppl online I found on forums talking about this topic

the search took 2 minutes.

ALL of them never heard me, or my thoughts or experience nor I of them.

Yet all speak of the same observation so again I ask if anyone noticed anything ???¿¿¿¿

These are not properly documented observations. Where are the measurements? Where are the spectra? What equipment was used? How were the data calibrated?

Unsubstantiated statements by arbitrary people from the internet, usually hiding behind the anonymity of their forum name are utterly worthless in scientific debate. All these people fail to test if their theory is wrong. All scientists worth their salt do this. The posts listed above all seem to come from what scientists refer to as the tinfoil-hat brigade.

A very simple Google for solar spectra and the solar constant, and its variations over the years would easily show that the assertion that the sun has changed colour and has become significantly brighter is wrong. The professional astronomers cannot be in a conspiracy to hide this, because it is trivial to check by simple means (an exposure meter will do).

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1 have 40 yrs of sky watching travelling south in Winter to dry observation locations.

Sincé 2010 I noticed an EXTREME increase in the Sun's frequency/radiance/power

I am not alone

THE WHITE SUN has become a mojor topic of discussion since 2011

and one thread dates back to 2009 ... which I think when the change began

though being in South America I didnt knowtice till 2010 or so.

I want to know how observers here see the increase in radiation

one writer thinks the sun is becoming a White dwarf star.

THOUGHTS??

My thoughts? You suffer from a delusion. If it is just this I suppose you are fine. Too much Sun is not good for you anyway.

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michaelmorris

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Believe me, the Sun is not getting brighter. Well-established theory backed up by a very large body of research suggests the Sun will eventually turn into a red giant, before shrinking into a white Even a cursory search of the internet will bring up a wealth of information about this from well respected academic institutions - i.e. people who know what they are talking about.  here is a link to the very first one Google came up with.  It's from Cornell University.

http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/evol_sun.htm

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Observation is the foundation of all science.

To me my observation and that of over 40 others who speal of this online and over 100 interviews with ppl who notice they burn in minutes now where it took hours yrs ago is enough observation to validate asking others here.

If energy output of the Sun had increased to any large extent, I feel sure this would have been picked up by the literally thousand of professional scientists who study the Sun and I don't recall reading about this in any of the serious academic press. 

I suspect that Michael's comments about changes in susceptibility to burning with age is a far more likely reason.  Also anecdotal evidence (I remember ... ) is notoriously unreliable when held up to scrutiny.

You might find it helpful to read the following article on a principle called Occam's razor

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam" data-cke-saved-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam" data-ipb="nomediaparse" s_razor"="">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

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