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Canon 1000D problematic camera?

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Space Bat

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Hello there I have been thinking of getting one of these as they do seem to be the camera of choice on here.

So after doing some searches and hunting to get the best deal - I have found a lot that seem to have been refurbished or used.

Obvious question why?

How have people got on with these camera's are they glitchy? with mechanical/electronic or software niggles that have resulted in what seems a booming refurb market for these things.

Any help on this would be great :)

Chris

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Space Bat

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Hi I have seen some on ebay (refurbs) and amazon used (possibly refurbed)

So thought perhaps there may have been issues and they have been sent back to canon under warranty who have repaired and refurbished them and sold them to a 3rd party to end up on ebay and amazon.

If I were to get one of these - as they are alot cheaper just wanted to know what were problems if any I should be aware off - or steer well clear.

I know you can get lemons with anything you buy - but better forwarned and aware of the potential issues.

Thanks for the replies guys :)

Chris

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Many of the 1000D, 400D, 450D, cameras, are modified for Astrophotography. A lot of the net activity may be centred around that aspect. The Mod. requires the IR Cut filter to be removed, or replaced, to render the cameras more sensitive to Ha light.

They do a remarkable job too. Have a browse through the SGL Deep Sky Imaging section for evidence. Most of the posters in this thread are responsible for some of them.

Not me yet though:o:).

Ron.

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I have just clocked someone offering new ones shipped from frome...

So will sleep on it and see whether I am still nervous about ordering one...

Thanks again :)

If you intend it for AP only, then Amazon do a Body only reasonably priced I believe. You are safe buying from them. I bought mine there.

Ron.

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The refurbished ones on eBay are from the USA. The seller 'Canon_UK' seems to be the outfit in Ireland Canon USA use to get rid of their stuff. The other sellers, I am not sure, but they offer limited warranties and seem a trifle dodgy. I bought two EOS 1000D's and a 450D before I got an EOS 1000D that worked properly. Each had a different fault, and bearing in mind these shipped from a country not renowned for it's population's intelligence (USA, that is, not Ireland...), it may well be that all the faulty ones were down to operator error. One the SD card would not format (somebody tried to force the card in the 'wrong' way?), One the IS lens did not work (somebody tried to force the lense on without lining up the dots?), and one the lens that sits beneath the viewfinder was detached (somebody trying to replace the IR filter without having a clue what they were trying to do?). The one I eventually ended up with worked fine, and it cost me much less than it would have new - albeit with a bit of hassle getting one that worked.

The company in Ireland were fine to deal with - refunded money after the return, covered the cost of postage, and gave me discount vouchers for my trouble. I pointed out that these were supposedly refurbished, and checked out beforehand. They aren't. People send them back, and they have to shift them - so it is a bit pot luck what condition they are in. If a dolt messed it up, and sent it back saying it was faulty, you get one that a dolt messed up. If somebody returned one that was faulty, you get one that was faulty. If somebody returned one because they couldn't figure out how to operate it - or because they couldn't really afford it - or because they want something better - you get a decent one.

What I found bizarre was that some people would bid almost up to the retail price, which suggests to me people buy them from countries where they are not as easy to come by as they are here (maybe duty is handled differently in such cases?).

The thing is that if there is a fault, usually you get to see a pattern, and while 3 x 1000's and 1 x 450 is not a good sample, none of the faults were the same - which suggests that they were either down to users or the sort of problem you can get on any production line, but poor quality control.

If you are buying from new, you shouldn't need to worry - just take it back to the supplier and get it changed.

If you are buying refurbished, be aware that they are not checked before shipping - I asked the company concerned about this, and they also feel it is a waste of time that they have to ship these items out, only have to take them back again. I guess somebody in Canon has worked out that is more cost-effective than actually 'refurbishing' them.

I have experienced similar problems with refurbished computers from PC World - one PC had not been wiped from the previous owner. It never worked properly until I returned it to its pre-installation state (which should have been done before I received it). Then it worked fine. Computers, like cameras, are technical items, and many people are idiots who are incapable of operating technical equipment - no matter how hard manufacturers try to hide the technology from the user.

As far as the numbers are concerned, bear in mind this represents returns in the USA, not the UK, which is a much larger population, and does not reflect the level of returns in the UK. I got an EOS 1000 with IS lens as well as a 50mm fixed focal-length lens for about £300. This would normally cost over £500.

M.

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As I just metioned in another thread, the best price I could find before Christmas for a new 1000D with non-IS lens was £342 at Tesco Direct. But they seem to be out of stock now. Given body only is about £320 I though this was a pretty good deal.

There is an interesting site

Canon EOS 1000D Body from £318.99, UK Specialist Price Comparison Site, Camera Price Buster

which monitors camera prices and shows you graphs of what has been happening over the year (which can be quite illuminating!).

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Had my 1000D for 6 months not had any problems with it. Bought brand new from warehouse express. Not only is it the camera of choice for a lot of people for its astrophotography uses but is also an excellent camera for taking everyday shots.

Alan

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Hi,

I bought my 1000d back in June, new from Park Cameras ~ I love it! It's done nearly 2000 exposures in that time :) - both astro and everyday use. I just wish I had the time to learn about all its little features! :)

Following advice on here I have bought it an 'old' 135mm M42 style lens and adaptor from eBay which has opened up a whole new world!

Liz

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It is a great camera. My main camera is a Sony Alpha with a telephoto lens, but if I go out to do some photography, I pack the Canon with the fixed 50mm lens as well, and often find I end up using the Canon most, because the fixed lens is so unfussy and the shots are so shar. I used the Alpha on scopes before I got the Canon, and I think it gave a wider field of view and easier to use with an LCD that can be rotated by 90 degrees - but it was heavier.

M.

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Thanks again guys,

I got some argos vouchers for xmas - and just seen them online going for £399 which is only a few quid more expensive than on ebay...so will get one there soon as I can fight my way through the snow.

Chris

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If you can manage a new one, it makes sense - I wanted a refurb one because I couldn't justify (to myself) the full cost of a second camera, and didn't want to mess up the Alpha sensor. But it was a pain getting hold of one that worked properly, and I had to be quite assertive. A new one from Argos, well, if there's any problems you can just take it back. Makes sense.

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I am still an ebay virgin so to speak - I have bid on many things but never won - and I have never sold anything. So 4 years and still not used my account :)

But as for the camera - it is probably worth paying £50 just for piece of mind and not having to jump through hoops to get refunds or exchanges...etc if things were to go wrong.

All I need to do now is have a panic attack on whether or how to do this mod everyone talks about (remove IR filter).

I presume it is something that can be put back without it ever being noticed it was removed in case I had to take it back?

Or is it a one shot deal once removed thats it?

Chris

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One of the reasons I got mine was because nobody modifies the Alpha (& I didn't want to remove its filter or mess up the filter repeatedly exposing the sensor while attaching it to a scope in the dark. As Kevin says, there is no need to do it straight away. As soon as you modify it you have invalidated the warranty (which is why I wanted one cheap). As I understand it, modification is only necessary for certain objects, and I am sure there is enough to keep you occupied for a while before you need to modify it. I still have yet to have mine modified - and it is only after trying to capture the flame & horsehead nebulii the other night that I can see it will be necessary sooner or later. If you postpone the modification, then you can test the camera out fully and be sure that everything is working properly while still under warranty; then get it modified when it is no longer brand new, by which time the value will have decreased anyway. I've looked into what is involved, and TBH I'd prefer to get it done by somebody who does it commercially. Apart from the intricacy involved in getting at the sensor, it should be done in a dust-free environment. We have a wood-burning stove and a dog, and I am very untidy and avoid dusting (affects my sinuses) - so dust-free would be unattainable for me. If you get dust between the sensor and the glass when you replace the filter, it is there on every shot and cannot be got rid of.

M.

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great camera you'll love it

BTW self modding is not that difficult, but try it out first without modding there are plenty of objects it will work on just fine and they do let a reasonable amount of Ha light through unmodded.

Last winter Blinky did a Horsehead Neb. with a 350d unmodded and it was very good. So, with a bit of effort pics of objects with high HA levels can be obtained.

Gary

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