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Trapezium in Orion
robin_astro replied to chiltonstar's topic in Observing and Imaging Double and Variable Stars
Triangles can be a sign of pinched optics. I have a cheap 80mm f5 refractor which shows this beautifully if I tighten the objective lens retaining ring Cheers Robin -
Check and comparison stars
robin_astro replied to a topic in Observing and Imaging Double and Variable Stars
Comparison stars are used to calculate the brightness of the target (and check) stars. Several comparisons can be combined to form an "ensemble" a sort of super comparison star which can improve accuracy and precision. Check stars are normally just to check the precision and accuracy of the measurement, useful for checking stability eg during a long time series, where the check star graphs should be flat (multiple comparison stars can also be used as check stars, looking for agreement between them) Cheers Robin -
A Perseus field full of astrophysics
robin_astro replied to robin_astro's topic in Imaging - Deep Sky
Mine is at a crazy angle to fit them in the frame. (the aim was to get them in line vertically but ran out of room!) -
A Perseus field full of astrophysics
robin_astro replied to robin_astro's topic in Imaging - Deep Sky
Funny you should mention that. The idea for this field originally came from Christian Buil when he borrowed my Star Analyser in the early days of it back in 2007 and came back with a version taken with a DSLR. I often use it with permission in presentations on spectroscopy but finally got round to looking at it myself. Here is Christian's colour version on his website. It does look good in colour but his W Per is rather over exposed. (I did a non linear stretch on my image to avoid that so don't try to measure the flux 😉 ) http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/staranalyser/wr5_2.jpg -
A conventional image of this star field in Perseus (~20x15 arcmin) would look rather ordinary but a diffraction grating (100 lines/mm Star Analyser) placed in front of the camera to spread some of the star light into spectra reveals some interesting astrophysics going on in these stars thanks to the power of spectroscopy. (34x10 sec, Celestron CII, ATIK 314L) Top of the frame is W Per, a Red Supergiant star and like most other supergiants (Betelgeuse for example) is variable in brightness. Here it is currently magnitude 9.5 measured at visual wavelengths (from the AAVSO database), but much brighter in the Infra-Red where most of the light from this star is produced. (The spectrum here extends out to wavelengths beyond 1 micron, the limit of the CCD sensor sensitivity.) We can tell it is a cool star (spectral type M5i) from the sawtooth shape absorption bands in the spectrum produced by spinning and vibrating molecules of Titanium Oxide which are able to form in the relatively cool (~3000K) atmosphere of this star. Centre is BD+56 727, a hot star (effective temperature ~15000K) of spectral type B5 with no obvious strong absorption lines in the spectrum, typical of very hot stars. The star should look very blue with the spectrum much brighter at the shorter wavelengths but in this case the spectrum is almost even brightness across the visible range due to the large amount of interstellar dust between us and the star which dims and reddens its appearance. (It is V magnitude 10.6 but the dust absorbs over 90% of the visible light so would look much brighter and bluer without the dust). There is one clear feature in the spectrum though, the bright spot in the red at the Hydrogen alpha wavelength (6563A). This emission line comes from a rotating disc of gas around the star, the hydrogen atoms being excited by the UV light from the star and glowing in H alpha. (It is a Be star, one of many followed by amateur spectroscopists in support of professional astronomers) Bottom is WR5 a Wolf Rayet star with a spectacular spectrum showing many emission lines. (It is visual magnitude 10.4 but most of the light is concentrated in the emission lines). Wolf Rayet stars are extremely hot (tens of thousands of degrees K) massive stars nearing the end of their life (probably destined to become supernovae.) They are shedding their outer layers in powerful high velocity stellar winds. It is the material in these winds (made up of elements formed by nuclear fusion within the star) which produces the emission lines, variously of ionised Helium, Carbon, Nitrogen and Oxygen, excited by the UV radiation from the star. Cheers Robin
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Nova in Perseus
robin_astro replied to JeremyS's topic in Observing and Imaging Double and Variable Stars
Novae can be unpredictable in their decline For example nova Cas 2020 has been rebrightening repeatedly for 4 months now but nova Del 2013 faded over 2 months (AAVSO data dates month/day) Cheers Robin -
Nova in Perseus
robin_astro replied to JeremyS's topic in Observing and Imaging Double and Variable Stars
This is how it looked through the Star Analyser (20sec exposure, 2020-12-05). Nice bright Hydrogen Balmer emission lines Cheers Robin -
Hi John, Nice Balmer emission. What date was this? (The lines other than H alpha can be quite difficult to see at the moment at the resolution of the Star Analyser compared with a few days ago but they should become more prominent again over the coming days as the spectrum evolves.) This series of amateur spectra taken for Nova Del 2013 shows an example of how the spectrum evolves but every nova is subtly different http://www.astrosurf.com/aras/novae/Nova2013Del.html There is a nice collection of amateur spectra building for this nova too http://www.astrosurf.com/aras/Aras_DataBase/Novae/2020_NovaPer2020.htm Cheers Robin
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Great ! The lack of H alpha in the flare is interesting (to me at least, not really knowing anything about flares 😁) Cheers Robin
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Identified possible origin of the WOW signal
robin_astro replied to alberto91's topic in Physics, Space Science and Theories
I look forward to the peer reviewed version of this paper. Apart from the implicit unsupported assumption that intelligent life would only be found on planets orbiting "sun-like stars", the search area is so wide that it is pretty much inevitable that you would find stars of every type including "sun-like stars" in the Gaia catalogue regardless of the direction you looked in. They might as well have said "sun-like stars found throughout the galaxy and stars of every type found as possible targets for the wow! signal" Robin -
A couple of spectra, one about 6 days before maximum and one about 13 days after https://britastro.org/specdb/data_graph.php?obs_id=8176%2C8020&multi=yes&legend_pos=ne The spectrum has evolved quite a bit in that time but continues to give a good match to typical type Ia supernovae of the same age (using SNID the supernova identification program, black measured, red match) Robin
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Mathematical Possibility
robin_astro replied to Sunshine's topic in Physics, Space Science and Theories
No. I think you are confusing the apparent movement of an object across the eyepiece due to the earth's rotation with change in the apparent position of nearby and distant objects with a change in observing location (parallax). You can demonstrate the difference with your finger held out in front of your face. If you focus on your finger and rotate your head so your finger moves across the field you will see the finger stays in the same position relative to objects in the distance. If you move your head from side to side though the finger moves relative to the distant object. The observed change in position of a fixed object with time from one side of the eyepiece is almost entirely due to a change in the viewing angle, not due to the effect of a change in viewing position (parallax). eg , if a planet is at the same position as a distant star at one side of the eyepiece, they will still be at the same position relative to each other when they get to the other side of the eyepiece field to a degree of precision you could possibly expect to measure, (ignoring any effect of the relative orbital motion of the earth and planet). In parallax measurements you change your viewing location significantly relative to the nearer object (eg from one side of earths orbit to the other) and then the relative position of nearby and distant objects does change. Robin -
Star Analyser lens options
robin_astro replied to tooth_dr's topic in Radio Astronomy and Spectroscopy
Hi Adam, I am the Robin that Andrew referred to. I am also the person who developed the Star Analyser. Option 2 with the grating between the lens and camera sensor will not work as the focal ratio is too low (I recommend using the calculator on the RSpec website which is based on my recommendations to the Star Analyser manufacturer, Paton Hawkley Education Ltd. https://www.rspec-astro.com/calculator/ If you use the calculator you will see that the minimum recommended focal ratio for the SA100 is f4 and for the SA200 f4.5 and the calculator gives a warning for lower focal ratios) You could use the grating with the lens in an objective grating configuration though with the grating on the front of the lens. here are some examples of this on my website http://www.threehillsobservatory.co.uk/astro/spectroscopy_11.htm http://www.threehillsobservatory.co.uk/astro/spectroscopy_17.htm Use the same calculator to calculate the focal length range which will allow the spectrum to fit in the field by putting the focal length of the lens in place of the grating to sensor distance (Ignore the other warnings as they apply to telescope applications) Option 1 might work ok but it depends on the distance between the grating and the camera sensor. Use the RSpec calculator to test this. It will tell you if there are problems (The SA200 is more commonly used in filter wheel applications as it can be used closer to the sensor and has a lower profile so fits in most filter wheels) If you need more information you are welcome to contact me direct via the email address on my website Cheers Robin -
Possibly but to alter a post without any obvious sign of editing and then attempt to gaslight someone who called it out is not acceptable in my view. I have added a comment to my original post to clarify what happened Robin
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The headline and screen grab used in the youtube thumbnail displayed in the post is generated by the youtuber and can be edited at any time, as can the video. You might not agree with what has been changed but it will still appear in your posts under your name. This is why it is not a good idea to embed anything from a site you do not control unless you trust it 100%. Robin
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The youtube screen grab and the current headline that says "Japanese mission that may have proved panspermia" Is not the original. Each time I looked it had been changed. This is at least the 3rd version
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The headline and linked video the top of this page has been changed several times during the life of this thread, (The problem with hot Iinking) I dont know who changed it or why (possibly as a result of my criticism.) but the original headline clearly stated that "panspermia had been proved" as I said in my first post. Robin
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Star analyser 100 and 3.8 prism
robin_astro replied to Nigella Bryant's topic in Radio Astronomy and Spectroscopy
Hi Nigella, If you use the prism line up the marks on the grating and prism (You can test the correct alignment by looking through the combination with the zero order on the left and rotating the prism until the zero order and spectrum move as far as possible to the left. ) you can add the prism before or after the grating, fix it in the right orientation using the locking ring or a bit of plumbers ptfe tape wrapped round the thread By adding the prism the dispersion becomes the combination of diffraction from the grating and refraction from the prism so you need to use a non linear fit for wavelength calibration using several Balmer lines instead of the simple 2 point calibration you can use without the prism Cheers Robin -
Parallax, the limit.
robin_astro replied to Marvin Jenkins's topic in Physics, Space Science and Theories
The archetype Cepheid variable delta Cephei for example (~900 light years away) has a parallax of 3.77 mas so the distance uncertainty from Gaia would be 0.04/3.77 = ~1% . If we found a Cepheid with the same period as Delta Cephei in another Galaxy we would know it has the same luminosity so by measuring its apparent brightness we can work out how far it (and hence the Galaxy) is Robin -
Parallax, the limit.
robin_astro replied to Marvin Jenkins's topic in Physics, Space Science and Theories
The parallax of objects outside our Galaxy is too small to measure. There are many Cepheids in our Galaxy close enough to accurately measure the distance to using parallax though. (The Gaia uncertainty of 0.04 mas is only a small percentage of distance for nearby objects). These are used to establish the luminosity/period relationship. You can then measure the periods and apparent brightness of Cepheids in nearby galaxies. From this you can calculate how far away they are and step up another rung on the distance ladder Robin -
Parallax, the limit.
robin_astro replied to Marvin Jenkins's topic in Physics, Space Science and Theories
So the most distant object that could be measured to an accuracy of say 20% is 5000 parsec. (0.2 mas) We then need to know what objects exist that are luminous enough to appear mag 14 at that distance You can use the distance modulus equation https://astro.unl.edu/naap/distance/distance_modulus.html to estimate the absolute magnitude (ie the luminosity) of an object with a brightness of mag 14 at 5kpc and compare it to the luminosity of the sun for example Cheers Robin -
The biggest problem might be extracting the data from the interference from all the satellite constellation passes Reading the SATCON1 report into how Starlink and other satellite constellations are going to impact astronomy, it is not clear how it is going to be able to do some of the jobs it was built for https://aas.org/sites/default/files/2020-08/SATCON1-Report.pdf
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Supernova SN2020scc at mag 13.7 in NGC 2782
robin_astro replied to michael.h.f.wilkinson's topic in Celestial Events Heads Up
It will be interesting to see how bright it is now. The mag 13.7 figure is a month old though. Odd Trondal measured it at 13.9 on 2020-09-02 so it was around maximum a few weeks ago and has probably faded quite a bit by now. Interestingly this is an all amateur supernova, having been discovered by the Chinese XOSS team and classified as a Ia by Italian Claudio Balcon. (The XOSS team asked if I could classify it so I was following it waiting for it clear some trees to get a spectrum but Claudio beat me to it !)- 1 reply
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