Meteor breaking up or artefact?

[tooth_dr]

I just missed this visually last night, as when I came in and sat down in the observatory it was just on the screen from the all sky camera.

Any idea what’s going on? Is it a reflection or a meteor that broke up into pieces?

 

TIA

Adam. 

[MilwaukeeLion]

Certainly is interesting, captured meteors looking similar to your larger flash shown here but never with a second flash next to it.  What exposure were you running ?  

[tooth_dr]

4 hours ago, MilwaukeeLion said:

Certainly is interesting, captured meteors looking similar to your larger flash shown here but never with a second flash next to it.  What exposure were you running ?  

Thanks. It was 45s

[jam1e1]

Looks like a pair that’s caught one half flare and other full satellite flare, ie similar orbit but one slightly ahead. I’ve noticed over over last couple of weeks where for a few nights a pair appear over different areas of sky , in one capture had equally similar slightly odd looking capture. I’ll post a few when get a chance and can dig them out. Normally they don’t flare and just see the light traces. In summary I’ve noticed similar. (Writing from phone hence brief explanation)

Edited September 10, 2019 by jam1e1

[MilwaukeeLion]

My captures of iridium's are fairly uniform start to finish, only see a slight trail on one side not other in your capture.  If captured at end or beginning of exposure and nothing in next or previous frame makes good case for meteor or debris 🤔 me thinks...

[jam1e1]

here are 4 frames from a similar ish one , found sequence odd as one flared then second frame had 2x similar side by side but weaker and one in same place

[tooth_dr]

@jam1e1 that does look similar indeed.  I've picked up a fainter trail, but that may well be due to my darker site.

[tooth_dr]

22 hours ago, MilwaukeeLion said:

 If captured at end or beginning of exposure and nothing in next or previous frame makes good case for meteor or debris 🤔 me thinks...

There is nothing in the previous or following frame, but I dont whereabout within the 45s frame it occured

[jam1e1]

23 hours ago, tooth_dr said:

@jam1e1 that does look similar indeed.  I've picked up a fainter trail, but that may well be due to my darker site.

i think you've got the 180deg lens, i got the 150deg hence expect yours would be fainter as slightly 'slower' lens - though ill swap your skies for mine

just been thru last nights captures, spotted a pair again in first capture and separately a flare from single satellite (suspected) in second, similar to yours.

did a video of the pair too, but no flares on this run.

[Captain Scarlet]

On 08/09/2019 at 22:55, tooth_dr said:

I just missed this visually last night, as when I came in and sat down in the observatory it was just on the screen from the all sky camera.

Any idea what’s going on? Is it a reflection or a meteor that broke up into pieces?

 

TIA

Adam. 

If you zoom in and stretch it a little in Photoshop, you can just about see what it is:

[tooth_dr]

So I've come back to this and I would like to present some more evidence to the experts!

Firstly I combined the two frames, to create a single image - the meteor/flares must have occured at the end and beginning of 45s exposures.

 

Next I located data from another all sky camera approx 25 miles away, corresponding to the same time as my capture.

 

I then rotated and overlaid the data above with my data.  There is a little cloud that isnt present on either frame either side of the above image.  It appears to line up with my meteor capture.  I wonder could this be meteor dispersion, and thus confirm it was a meteor?

 

 

[JamesF]

Some of them look an awful lot like aircraft trails to me.  Are you near a flight path at all?  They can sometimes "flare" a bit, though I suspect that's unlikely at the times your images were taken.

I've found flightradar24.com quite useful for eliminating aircraft since I discovered that it's possible to go back in time, though I don't think they show (all) military aircraft.  We get quite a few of the latter around here, sometimes playing stupid games.

James

[tooth_dr]

6 hours ago, JamesF said:

Some of them look an awful lot like aircraft trails to me.  Are you near a flight path at all?  They can sometimes "flare" a bit, though I suspect that's unlikely at the times your images were taken.

I've found flightradar24.com quite useful for eliminating aircraft since I discovered that it's possible to go back in time, though I don't think they show (all) military aircraft.  We get quite a few of the latter around here, sometimes playing stupid games.

James

I do get occasional planes but I’m not on a flight path.  I would typically see planes heading to America.

I seen another suspected meteor dispersion cloud picked up in the other camera 12 minutes earlier as well, but I didn’t pick up a meteors or cloud in my camera. This also made me suspicious 

The above images were taken at 23:47 on Sept 7th.

 

[Wiu-Wiu]

A cam 25 miles away would have the meteor in a different place than you have. 

 

My guess is also a flare (or better: two). Typically, those would not be visible 25 miles away, as a flare is a very local event. 

[tooth_dr]

1 hour ago, Wiu-Wiu said:

A cam 25 miles away would have the meteor in a different place than you have. 

 

My guess is also a flare (or better: two). Typically, those would not be visible 25 miles away, as a flare is a very local event. 

It isnt in the same place, the gif is a bit misleading as the meteor is still visible from the bottom layer when the meteor cloud appears. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by tooth_dr