Couldn't bag NGC7000, what's the problem?

[emadmoussa]

This is really embarrassing, NGC7000 (North American Nebula) was on my list last night...scanned the area back and forth several times using a 6" refractor...for the life of me couldn't bag it. I got it before, but for some reason I can't see it again. What's going on here? I'm was so confused...and frustrated.

[YKSE]

I think you need a filter, UHC or OIII. any of this will bring out the nebula better than without. I could see it with my 130P in my backyard, with filter of course.

[emadmoussa]

This is the puzzle. Because I bagged it before without a filter...

[YKSE]

OK, maybe the seeings are quite different?

[emadmoussa]

Now I'm thinking there must've been some hazy cloudy patch in the area. Or I was just tired...and I actually was.

[emadmoussa]

And I was also busy fending off silly slugs...I thought I annihilated them already for God's sakes..!! :D

[michael.h.f.wilkinson]

What EP were you using? NGC 7000 needs a massive FOV to really appreciate it. My best views were from a dark location using a UHC filter, with my 80mm and 31T5 "Panzerfaust", yielding 15.5x and 5.3 deg FOV.  I have spotted it with binoculars on good nights from my back garden, but much depends on the transparency of the sky. LP affects me badly when the sky is even the slightest bit hazy, but on really transparent nights (rare) I can spot difficult targets like NGC 7000 and M101 easily with my smaller bins.

[nytecam]

As you're aware it's a very large object and maybe better seen in binoculars

[Bizibilder]

We've had some pretty persistant high haze over the UK over the past few nights.  That, along with the slightest LP, will soon make it a very difficult object to see visually - even through a decent sized scope.

[emadmoussa]

What EP were you using? NGC 7000 needs a massive FOV to really appreciate it. My best views were from a dark location using a UHC filter, with my 80mm and 31T5 "Panzerfaust", yielding 15.5x and 5.3 deg FOV. I have spotted it with binoculars on good nights from my back garden, but much depends on the transparency of the sky. LP affects me badly when the sky is even the slightest bit hazy, but on really transparent nights (rare) I can spot difficult targets like NGC 7000 and M101 easily with my smaller bins.

I was using Baader zoom..

Yep, several times before I framed it with only the RACI finder through the window or from back garden.

[oldfruit]

The North American Nebula needs low magnification and good conditions to be seen, plus a filter to be seen well. Even a little haze (plus light pollution) will almost wipe it out in my experience. Like yourself, sometimes I have found it easily but on other occasions I have found it difficult or impossible to see.

As said in an above post, try binoculars. They will give you a good indication of how visible or not it may be before you try with the scope.

[ollypenrice]

The problem is its size. There's someting to be said for naked eye, even with my lousy eyesight.

Olly

[jetstream]

I have followed the edge of it in both my telescopes,but the xtra fov with the frac seems to be better....3.36 vs 1.76 deg.It is easy to be in it and see right through it.....I sure love my filters...