Demonperformer Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Has anyone managed to get UCAC4 working on CdC?I have unzipped the N & E zip files into a folder: ciel\cat\ucac4 [6990 files 2.25GB]I have attached two screenprints:setup.jpg shows the setup screen and the settings I have usedscreen.jpg shows the result - a 2 degree fov centred on Polaris. The screen is still only showing TYC stars, even though the magnitude is set to 16.5 and so should be showing a lot more stars from the ucac catalogue.I am using Cdc v3.8Any idea what I am doing wrong?Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themos Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I think I know. Have you zoomed in enough? The UCAC4 catalog needs a high zoom to appear (you've set it to "min 0 max 5", which corresponds to less than 20 degrees, no?sorry, I am being thick, you said it's 2 degrees. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themos Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I have my Extended Hipparcos set to 6 to 10 and my Tycho2 set to 4 to 5 with UCAC4 set to 0 to 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 Nice try, Themos, and I can see your logic. But when I change the settings to the ones you specify, I lose all the stars from the screen (presumably because a 2 degree field is outside the range of TYC & HIP stars).There definitely seems to be a problem with the program recognising the data files, but I cannot for the life of me see what I have done wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themos Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Well, this is on a Linux machine, I think I have my Windows CdC configured the same way but can't check now. I guess you have all these files:Files content: ucac4-catalog-south.zip : South zone -90 to -30 ucac4-catalog-equator.zip : Equatorial zone -30 to +22.5 ucac4-catalog-north.zip : North zone +22.5 to +90 ucac4-index.zip : Search indexAlso, I have version 3.9 -svn- 2583 from 2013/09/16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r3i Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Do you have the index file? I'm still using UCAC3 which had an index file as well as the data files, I'm presuming V4 will be the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 I have the N, EQ and idx files - decided not to bother with the S files until I got these working, as anything much below 30S is a bit of a push.I had UCAC3 working on the previous version, wishing I hadn't removed them, but have now had an inspiration - I'm sure I still have the ucac3 zip files somewhere (as a hoarder, I cannot believe they aren't on a hdd somewhere!). Will do a search and then will try reloading them instead of ucac4 and see if that works.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin66 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I'm using the UCAC4 on CdC V3.8.....The xhip is set to 0-10, and the 4UC to 0-3.The UCAC stars show up at FOV < 2 deg....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Intriguinger and intriguinger ... or just plain annoying?Having tried everything I could think of (including completely deleting CdC and reloading with freshly downloaded files) and still not having got it to work, I decided to give it a try (more in desparation than anything else) on my desktop. The desktop runs XP whereas the laptop runs 7.Totally different result to the extraction process.On the laptop I ended up with a single folder containing just under 7000 dat files (for N & E). On the desktop I ended up with two folders called 'ucac4' and 'ucac4-streak'. Within each of these folders were a futher 24 folders each (this time using N, E & S), each one covering a different zone of the sky and containing around 500 dat files. So I am now in the process of copying the result onto a USB drive so I can just load the finished result onto the laptop version of CdC.So it becomes a question of has anyone managed to get ucac4 working on a Win7 machine? If so, then it is obviously something weird about me ... I mean 'my machine' ... if not, then maybe there is a problem with the original files.When I have finished copying the files between machines, I will confirm if it is actually working or not.But I am hopeful (stupid boy!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themos Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 This is what it looks like on my linux machine, the numbers are megabytes in that folder 181 cat/ucac4/n0730241 cat/ucac4/s1500108 cat/ucac4/s6730234 cat/ucac4/s373081 cat/ucac4/n6000266 cat/ucac4/s523011 cat/ucac4/s8230166 cat/ucac4/n2230294 cat/ucac4/s2230149 cat/ucac4/n373046 cat/ucac4/n6730238 cat/ucac4/s450036 cat/ucac4/s7500180 cat/ucac4/s0730180 cat/ucac4/n1500268 cat/ucac4/s3000165 cat/ucac4/s0000129 cat/ucac4/n523025 cat/ucac4/n7500157 cat/ucac4/n4500166 cat/ucac4/n30008 cat/ucac4/n8230227 cat/ucac4/s6000163 cat/ucac4/n00006093 cat/ucac41 cat/ucac4-streak/n07302 cat/ucac4-streak/s15001 cat/ucac4-streak/s67301 cat/ucac4-streak/s37301 cat/ucac4-streak/n60001 cat/ucac4-streak/s52301 cat/ucac4-streak/s82301 cat/ucac4-streak/n22302 cat/ucac4-streak/s22301 cat/ucac4-streak/n37301 cat/ucac4-streak/n67301 cat/ucac4-streak/s45001 cat/ucac4-streak/s75001 cat/ucac4-streak/s07301 cat/ucac4-streak/n15001 cat/ucac4-streak/s30001 cat/ucac4-streak/s00001 cat/ucac4-streak/n52301 cat/ucac4-streak/n75001 cat/ucac4-streak/n45001 cat/ucac4-streak/n30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Thanks, Themos. Yes, that is what I now have and have transferred from desktop to laptop.I have attached another two screenprints of what is happening now, because otherwise you won't believe me.PDE shows the folders that are available in Ciel\cat on my file manager program.cdc shows the folders that are available in Ciel\cat on CdC.Same folder, but there are two fewer folders available, and yes, you've guessed it, they are ucac4 and ucac4-streak.How does that result represent any sort of logic???And I have tried simply typing in the path on CdC, and although it accepts that as a typed entry, it is not possible to change the red button to green.AAAARRRGGHHHHH !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Oh, and in case any IT Crowd fans are wondering ... yes, I have tried turning it off and on again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themos Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Sky Chart / Cartes du Ciel says the best way to get help with its software is by visiting http://www.ap-i.net/mantis/.Is there a 4uc.hdr file in the ucac4 folder? Mine has a 1251-byte file... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yes, the extra files in 'ucac4' are:4uc.hdr 1251 bytes4uc.idx 262237 bytesreademe 1651 bytesThere are also hdr and idx files in the 'ucac4-streak' folder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themos Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Hm, my linux installation does not have the .idx files but it has 4uc.ixr files much bigger than this 1251 /usr/share/skychart/cat/ucac4-streak/4uc.hdr 1064184 /usr/share/skychart/cat/ucac4-streak/4uc.ixr 1251 /usr/share/skychart/cat/ucac4/4uc.hdr 2502097862 /usr/share/skychart/cat/ucac4/4uc.ixr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Sorry, yes they are ixr files. My frustration is beginning to affect my typing.As to the difference in size, there was a problem converting the index, but according to the installation instructions the index is optional (if you want to search) anyway.But I cannot see that that would make any difference as to whether Cdc can see a folder on the C drive or not. It can certainly see folders that have nothing to do with Cdc and therefore have neither hdr nor ixr files (eg folders in my 'Drivers' folder) - not that I would actually be able to load anything from them, but it can see them. So why can't it see the ucac4 folder when it is clearly visible to the system, as demonstrated by my file manager program being able to see it? That's what makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themos Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Check the Properties of the folder, maybe it's "Hidden" in some weird Microsoft way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Don't really know what half of the stuff in these tabs is, but the 'hidden' box does not appear to be checked. Unless I should be looking at a different bit of the properties dialog?Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 It has to be something to do with the laptop .... I tried setting up the desktop version with the same ucac folders and they work perfectly, so I guess I wiil just have to make do with using that and settle for TYC-2 on the laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glappkaeft Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Have you reported this bug to the Cartes du Ciel bug-tracker or the yahoo group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin66 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 With win7 I find you need to install and run everything as "Administrator" - otherwise "funny" things happen with accessing of files...Have you done that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 Thanks for the replies:@glappkaeft - thanks for the idea, I have now registered and entered it on the bug-tracker.@merlin - yes, I have found this as well and so always log on as an administrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonperformer Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Here is the reply I got from the bug tracker site: From your description this is a problem with the Windows Virtualstore.The Virtualstore is a place where Windows write the data if you are not allowed by the UAC to write at the location you request.The short answer to solve this problem is to install the UCAC4 files in another place you have full write access, for example Documents\ucac4Here some more information:On a typical Windows 7 installation the "C:\Program Files" folder is not writable without a privilege elevation. This is why you have to click a confirmation box when you run the setup program that install the software.The program you use to unzip or copy the UCAC4 files do not request this privilege elevation, so Windows write the UCAC4 catalog at the following location instead:C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\Ciel\cat\Then by some magic it add the content of this folder to the original when you browse it with the Explorer.Unfortunately all the Windows file functions do not follow this logic, and sometime the added files appear missing.I not recommend you disable this folder protection for security reason, so the best solution is the one indicated above.Please reopen this issue if it is not solved after installing at another location.Rather surprised by this, because I always log in as administrator, and I didn't think that had any permission restrictions. Anyway, I have placed the unzipped files into a folder c:\cdc-ucac4 and it is now working fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gremlin Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Hi Sorry for digging up an old thread, but I found the solution to this and thought I should share it.The solution is to install the north south and equatorial sections of the catalog into separate forders. Then add each header .hdr file as a separate catalog. If you install as pere the CdC documentation and overwrite each header file from one region with another only the last installed header file region will show. The Cdc instructions says that its ok to overwite the header files as you unzip. It's not ok, ypu need all three files and the only way to do that is to put the 3 regions in separate folders.Hope this saves someone some head scratching.Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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