Figuring out the references in Friedrich G.W. Struve's catalogue of double stars

[Agerskov]

Hi all 
I am digging up informations of some of the double stars in Friedrich G. W. Struve's catalogue of double stars "Catalogus novus stellarum duplicium et multiplicium" written in Latin. 

In the last column is described as: 

"Postrema columna 6 exhibet numeros catalogi prioris nostri pro stellis in illo obviis." 

Which Google Translate translates to:

"The last column 6 shows the numbers of our previous catalog for the stars encountered in it."

What is Struve's previous catalogue? Or is it another catalogue? 


For others who is interested the first column is the Struve catalogue nummer also known as STF or just the capital Greet letter Σ (sigma) for von Struve, Friedrich Wilhelm George - STFA/ΣΣ is the reference for his additional catalogue.

The second column is other designations like μ Bootis for Bayer, 40 Bootis for Flamsteed, 75 Taurus Pon. stars in constellations in Bode's star atlas Uranographia counted from right to left.

I hope I am not the only one who is interested in dechiffer the old catalogues.

[Nik271]

I believe Struve published his first catalogue in 1820 with just 720 double stars, it's probably what he refers to in the last column.

[lunator]

Also some struve doubles had been observed by others such as William Herschel so it may be a reference to that.

The the Strives the WDS has them as

As STF, STFA, STT and STTA.

They are generally visible in RA order ( Proper motion not withstanding ) although the STF3XXX range are more spread around.

 

Cheers 

Ian

[Agerskov]

On 08/08/2023 at 09:31, Nik271 said:

I believe Struve published his first catalogue in 1820 with just 720 double stars, it's probably what he refers to in the last column.

Do you know what the name of the catalogue is or maybe even have a link to a PDF file of it?

[Nik271]

Seems hard to find. It's mentioned in this memorial article about Struve in the Astronomical register from 1865

https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1865AReg....3...89.

specifically  on page 94:

 

Sadly I can't find any reference to a publication. The Bodlean library in Oxford does not have a publication by Struve from 1820, just checked their catalogue. Perhaps you can try asking someone at the library of the former university of Dorpat , now Universtiy of Tartu in Estonia. Surely they must have a lot of Struve's writings.

Good luck! 

[Agerskov]

1 hour ago, lunator said:

Also some struve doubles had been observed by others such as William Herschel so it may be a reference to that.

The the Strives the WDS has them as

As STF, STFA, STT and STTA.

They are generally visible in RA order ( Proper motion not withstanding ) although the STF3XXX range are more spread around.

Thanks for your answer.

Also STH for Hermann von Struve son of Otto von Struve and STG for Georg Hermann Struve son of Hermann von Struve.

BTW your book is no longer listed at FLO. 

PS - Have you created the lists on your site which are uploaded to Scribd?

[lunator]

I have just checked my Double Star Astronomy book by Thomas Lewis Who was Secretary of the RAS. 

Strive started observing in 1813 and published his first catalogue of 795 double stars in 1822. 

The Catalogue covered the period from 1813-1820. Using a 5 foot Broughton. The aperture was not noted. 

It was called Catalogue 795 stellarum Duplicium.

Apparently 500 pairs were closer than 32" 

In 1824 he got the better Fraunhofer that.allowed him to really take things further.

He produced another catalogue in 1827 'Catalogue Norvus'

All this work was included in the main catalogue 

"Mensurae Micrometricae"  produced in.1837.

It contains 2640 double stars. Numbered upto 3134. 494 were rejected for various reasons.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Ian

[lunator]

20 minutes ago, Agerskov said:

Thanks for your answer.

Also STH for Hermann von Struve son of Otto von Struve and STG for Georg Hermann Struve son of Hermann von Struve.

BTW your book is no longer listed at FLO. 

PS - Have you created the lists on your site which are uploaded to Scribd?

The book will be be available soon at FLO. 🙂

I haven't looked at these 2 Struves.

I have about 3-400 struve doubles left to view. So I can add these in. 

Cheers

Ian

 

 

[Agerskov]

4 hours ago, lunator said:

The book will be be available soon at FLO. 🙂

I haven't looked at these 2 Struves.

I have about 3-400 struve doubles left to view. So I can add these in. 

So you are a true Struve specialist. 

But what about the lists - have you written those too?

I see that The List of Double Doubles lacks The Double Double's Double named and discovered by Peter Palagonin who wrote about it in the Sky & Telescope 1998 July issue with with the two doubles STF 2470 and SFT 2474. The four components of this double double is easier to split in smaller telescopes than The Double Double.

[Agerskov]

4 hours ago, lunator said:

I have just checked my Double Star Astronomy book by Thomas Lewis Who was Secretary of the RAS. 

Strive started observing in 1813 and published his first catalogue of 795 double stars in 1822. 

The Catalogue covered the period from 1813-1820. Using a 5 foot Broughton. The aperture was not noted. 

It was called Catalogue 795 stellarum Duplicium.

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Hope this helps.

Thanks again Ian.

I found Catalogus 795 stellarum duplicium at Google Books where you can read it for free 

[lunator]

16 hours ago, Agerskov said:

So you are a true Struve specialist. 

But what about the lists - have you written those too?

I see that The List of Double Doubles lacks The Double Double's Double named and discovered by Peter Palagonin who wrote about it in the Sky & Telescope 1998 July issue with with the two doubles STF 2470 and SFT 2474. The four components of this double double is easier to split in smaller telescopes than The Double Double.

I will have to add the in. I should spend more time updating my website but I prefer observing

I did write the lists. I always say my knowledge is extensive but not totally comprehensive

Cheers

Ian