The Universe as a Supersaturated Solution

[mpc755]

2 hours ago, Stu said:

Are you basically saying that you alone have come up with a new theory which is correct, and that the combined intellectual capacity of the world's physicists have got it all wrong?

I'm saying 'empty' space has mass which is displaced by matter.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'

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"Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the course of time; or else-with the help of small floats, for instance - we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental impossibility in physics - if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."

if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the dark matter as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that dark matter consists of particles which can be individually tracked through time. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium having mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University, had this to say about ether in contemporary theoretical physics:

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It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo.

Matter, quantum solids and fluids, a piece of window glass and 'stuff' have mass and so does the dark matter.

NASA's Gravity Probe B Confirms Two Einstein Space-Time Theories

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"Imagine the Earth as if it were immersed in honey. As the planet rotates, the honey around it would swirl, and it's the same with space and time," said Francis Everitt, GP-B principal investigator at Stanford University.

Honey has mass and so does the dark matter. The 'swirl' is the state of displacement of the dark matter.

[saac]

Wait a minute I thought the curvature of space time was the displacement of the dark matter, now its the swirl.  Not entirely convincing.

 

Jim

[mpc755]

10 minutes ago, saac said:

Wait a minute I thought the curvature of space time was the displacement of the dark matter, now its the swirl.  Not entirely convincing.

The 'swirl' is the curvature of spacetime. The 'swirl' is the state of displacement of the dark matter. The curvature of spacetime is the state of displacement of the dark matter.

[saac]

The swirl by your definition was a consequence of the movement (rotation of the planet).  The curvature of space-time is a result of the planet's mass and would be present irrespective of any rotation.  Can't be both, like I said, it's not  a convincing theory.

 

Jim

[mpc755]

1 minute ago, saac said:

The swirl by your definition was a consequence of the movement (rotation of the planet).  The curvature of space-time is a result of the planet's mass and would be present irrespective of any rotation.  Can't be both, like I said, its not  a convincing theory.

In the article the 'swirl' is referring to space and time. In the article the state of spacetime is referred to as a 'swirl'.

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"Imagine the Earth as if it were immersed in honey. As the planet rotates, the honey around it would swirl, and it's the same with space and time," said Francis Everitt, GP-B principal investigator at Stanford University.

Space and time are 'swirling', just as honey would.

It is the dark matter that 'swirls'.

[saac]

You are  confusing dark matter and space time to be one and the same thing - they are not.  Dark matter cannot  "swirl"  by the consequence of mass curving space-time

 

Jim

[mpc755]

Just now, saac said:

You are  confusing dark matter and space time to be one and the same thing - they are not.  Dark matter cannot  "swirl" .  

'Empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. The notion of dark matter as a weakly interacting clump of stuff that travels with the matter is incorrect. Dark matter fills 'empty' space and is displaced by matter.

The dark matter does indeed swirl.

The state of displacement of the dark matter is curved spacetime.

The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the dark matter.

The dark matter displaced by the Earth pushing back and exerting pressure toward the Earth is gravity.

[saac]

7 minutes ago, mpc755 said:

The state of displacement of the dark matter is curved spacetime.

The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the dark matter.

Ah, it is the your original conditions that are driving the conclusion mpc that is why we are differing in opinion. I'll leave it here now.

 

Jim

[mpc755]

30 minutes ago, saac said:

Ah, it is the your original conditions that are driving the conclusion mpc that is why we are differing in opinion. I'll leave it here now.

Dark matter is now understood to fill what would otherwise be considered to be empty space.

'Cosmologists at Penn Weigh Cosmic Filaments and Voids'

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"Dark matter ... permeates all the way to the center of the voids."

'No Empty Space in the Universe --Dark Matter Discovered to Fill Intergalactic Space'

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"A long standing mystery on where the missing dark matter is has been solved by the research. There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter."

Dark matter which fills 'empty' space is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. Including 'particles' as large as galaxies and galaxy clusters.

The state of displacement of the dark matter is curved spacetime.
 

[michaelmorris]

This thread is getting increasingly pointless as it has descended into a tit-for-tat discussion about a field of physics in which one or more of the participants has no actual educational background in the subject. I have thus locked this thread.