TheTeenThatLovesAstronomy

1 hour ago, dweller25 said:

Only you can make that decision 👍

Ok, but i have a question, what did you mean by the saxon is the better value for money scope?

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On 15/01/2022 at 18:50, dweller25 said:

As already said a 10” will show more planetary detail and DSO’s will be brighter but at the cost of a heavier base and OTA. 

Light pollution  - can you drive to a dark site ?

Personally I would not buy a scope with no warranty despite the lure of extra freebies - although the text in your link says it does come with a 2 year warranty.

The Apertura appears to be a rebadged GSO, the Saxon appears to be a rebadged Skywatcher (Synta).

Highpoint Scientific are based in the USA so it may be worth contacting them to see what stock levels and delivery options are available.

I would suggest the Apertura may be a good buy as the mechanics are better, it’s more expensive but comes with extras - as long as there is a warranty.

The Saxon is the better value for money scope.

Between the two makes there will probably not be much difference in the optical quality.

So which one do you think i should get based on what you have said? 

1 hour ago, mikeDnight said:

I think the difference is that the 10" has just over 28 square inched more surface area than the 8", and so will give you better resolution and greater light gathering power. So a 10" has the potential to show you finer lunar and planetary detail, and will show fainter objects such as galaxies brighter than they would be in an 8".

2 hours ago, cajen2 said:

Two inches! 😁

But actually that seemingly small difference gives a large improvement in light-gathering capacity. 

Plus it'll give you a good workout whenever you have to move it! 

Thanks you guys for the advice. 

But, I would like to know if the 10" dobsonian can handle class 5 light pollution. and another question, i dont know which 10" dobsonian i should get, this one>https://www.highpointscientific.com/apertura-ad10-10inch-dobsonian-telescope-ad10 is cheaper but dosent come with manufacturer warrenty but comes with a bunch of accesories that are for free that are worth 200 dollars but i dont know if it comes with extra eyepieces and i dont know if they ship to australia or is in australia and the other one is 200-300 dollars more expensive than the average 10" dobsonian but has 5 years of warrenty in it already and comes with 2 eye peices, and is in australia and can ship there aswell. the link for it it here> https://www.ozscopes.com.au/dobsonian-telescope-saxon-10inch.html

help me decide guys

On 13/01/2022 at 03:34, dweller25 said:

@TheTeenThatLovesAstronomy Great choice, very capable scope and excellent value for money 👍

Thank you and yes. But, i have a small question

What is the difference between the 8" dobsonian and the 10" one, i dont get it

can anyboody help me with this question

thanks

Hello everybody, its been a while. in that time i have researched guides and many other things about the type of telescope i finally decided on which is the https://www.ozscopes.com.au/dobsonian-telescope-saxon-10inch.html and i think im good to go, i've also signed up to a astronomy club near me to get some hands on experience, But yes, im, pretty sure im done with my research on my telescope and the eyepiece i will get for now is the Celestron 8-24mm zoom eyepiece https://proastroz.com/products/8-24mm-1-25-zoom-eyepiece-for-telescope?variant=33250132102&currency=AUD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2020-09-10&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign and the accessories i will get is a celestron cheshire collimating eyepiece and a 2x barlow lens. So until when i get my telescope next year, i will change the title of this forum to give me tips or give me advice for an issue with my telescope and etc. thank you for all the advice guys you really helped me alot, i still dont know somethings but i will figure it out with experience when i get my very own telescope. My sincerest thanks for all the help you guys gave me. i might question on this forum aswell just for general questions like how to collimate my mirrors or something. Anyways Goodbye everyone and i will talk to you guys when i have more questions or questions or help about my telescope. 

Thanks

Kind regards

Shayan =]

53 minutes ago, powerlord said:

quite.. how much you earn an hour calculation @mikemarotta? And you criticise  @Tiny Clanger response ? Who on earth does calculation like that before trying something new ??

I agree with @Tiny Clanger  - and thought her responses were spot on.

- @TheTeenThatLovesAstronomy - I'm glad you love astronomy. We do too. And we are here to help. But, mostly we will point you are places you can read and learn stuff for yourself. If you don't know one end of a telescope from the other - we all started there. I did 7 months ago. I read up on tutorials, I watched vidoes. When I got confused the good people of here answered my questions and pointed me in the right directions. But there is an expectation that you will follow links, and read advice given. I think that's fair ? So for example, the link posted about what you can expect to see is really important info. Similarly, if still interested we can link you to tutorials on what all the bits do , etc.

When the thread started, I think there was an expectation that if you'd made it this far to this forum you have some of that, but were confused as to scope choice. But I think you need to take the advice the friendly folk in here have given - learn what the stuff does and what its called a bit, learn what you will be able to see with different kit. Then, maybe it's time to chose a telescope and we can help with that ? Or don't and just buy something, it might be right, you might like it - but until you learn some of those terms and lingo, we are not going to be able to help much I doubt.

all the best

stu

hi, if you can help me with my telescope choice, i have this telescope im minding to buy https://www.astronomyalive.com.au/product/saxon-dob-10-254mm-reflector-telescope/

aswell as this telescope eyepiece kit

https://proastroz.com/products/orion-1-25-telescope-accessory-kit?variant=11238248349732&currency=AUD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2020-09-10&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign

i have done a fair bit of research and also i am still interested can you link me tutorials on all the bits to do 

thanks

12 minutes ago, wulfrun said:

Exactly what you'd expect...it zooms in magnification by twisting a ring on the barrel. Think camera zoom, it works in much the same way (e/p = eyepiece).

so like an eyepiece that zooms in? or a thing that zooms eyepieces in

1 hour ago, Philip R said:

G'day @TheTeenThatLovesAstronomy and welcome to SGL.

As per what @dweller25 says... forget about the eyepiece set. 

1. Best advice I can give at the present time is to get to know how the 'scope works', (during the day and night), to begin with.
2. A collimation tool (either a 'Cheshire' collimation tool or a collimation cap. If you opt for a laser collimation tool, then you will/may need to check the collimation for that too, especially the cheaper branded ones. There are tutorials on a popular video sharing website on how to do it), is one of the first accessories to purchase.
3. Back to the eyepiece set. I cannot think of a good set to buy... so that is why I agree with @dweller25.
   If you want to try a zoom e/p, then I would recommend the Baader Hyperion 8-24mm zoom to begin with. Once you have found the sweet spot, then purchase additional 'fixed' length eyepieces of the equivalent size. I personally like 13mm and 6mm). I have a variety of various brands, types from Ortho's (narrowest FOV) to Nagler's (widest FOV), and from affordable to expensive, (either second-hand or new in box).
4. Filters are a bane of contention with us amatuers... Colour filters are a Marmite/Vegemite thing... you either like or hate them! - for lunar/Moon observing a variable polarising filter is quite possibly a must have. For most other visual stuff, I use a Baader Neodymium, (I refer to it as my 'Swiss-Army knife' filter) or a UHC - all are available in 1.25" or 2". 

what is a zoom e/p?

2 hours ago, dweller25 said:

Hello @TheTeenThatLovesAstronomy and welcome to SGL.

As already mentioned, the best value for money telescope that will give good planetary views is a “Dobsonian” like this……

https://www.bintel.com.au/product/bintel-bt202-b-8-inch-dobsonian/?v=322b26af01d5

It has an 8” mirror that gives good resolution, is very simple to operate and is relatively cheap. It will need collimating occasionally but it’s not hard once you practice it a few times.

The 10” version of the above scope (has a 10” mirror) - if you can manage the weight will give even better planetary views.

Sadly, there is a world wide shortage of these scopes due to Covid so you will have to be patient.

In the meantime, do more reading around the subject and check out the sketching sections here and on Cloudynights as this is a better indication of what you will actually see at the eyepiece - don’t expect to see the details you see in photos.

Also try to join an astronomy club if you can find one locally to benefit from the experience of others and see the kit they use.

 

 

Hey dweller25. i found this pre setted eyepiece kit

https://proastroz.com/products/orion-1-25-telescope-accessory-kit?variant=11238248349732&currency=AUD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2020-09-10&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign

do you think i should get it with this 10" dobsonian telescope i found?https://www.astronomyalive.com.au/product/saxon-dob-10-254mm-reflector-telescope/

i did some research, it is Australian retailer and ithas shipping to australia, do you think the eyepiece kit will fit on the telescope? and do you think i should get a collimating tool while im at it? i have done research on it but not sure if it will fit on it, and i also think the 10" is perfect or good enough for me i have looked at its description and its features and think its perfect or good enough for me

thanks

On 08/08/2021 at 17:00, Chaz2b said:

 

hi Guys, I just wanted to update yall with a bit more information, i need a telescope, most likely a refractor as i have no idea on how to collimate. i want it to be able to see pictures like this but more zoomed in the pctures shown below but slightly more zoomed in, i need it to be a easy to handle and a mount. and some tips on eyepieces i can get, if the telescope cannot show images like this can you please reccomend me some eyepieces than can do it and other eye pieces you think i need, im going to get the 2x short barlow but i dont know what else to get, thank you, and if possible please link your telescope reccomendations based on what i need in australian retailers, Thanks

4 hours ago, PEMS said:

Tend to agree with Tiny Clanger, slow down. There are lots of scopes and being honest each has there plus points and their negatives. You won't get told the negatives, but the negatives can make whatever almost useless. Be very careful of the aperture is everything trap. Good quality aperture is good and good quality aperture costs. Otherwise a 200mm spherical mirror would be preferable to a 150mm parabolic. And I would hope that everyone knows otherwise.

I think at least one suggested is termed a table top scope. Consider that yes it is nice and small and the eyepiece would be about a meter off the ground. Throw in that in effect no scope delivers the often stated magnifications. So if you think a 130 will give 260x then you are way out.

Do you want a mount that tracks the objects? A$1500 should get a mount+scope combination but I suggest that you pick the 2 items. Not a package.

Where are you in Aus ?? Location will possibly help in identifing a potential club nearby. Although most of Aus has, I gather, returned to a strict lockdown. So an available club could be difficult.

In I suppose general avoid a fast scope, they are hard work. Reflector or refractor variety. A nice slow one is going to be preferable. Thinking around f/8 here.

I would suggest something small, easy and inexpensive. I have a Skywatcher Az GTi with a Skywatcher 72ED. Now that will likely give me 100x and that is boarder line for Saturn which I find 120x is required for and a fairly good 120x. So maybe not for Saturn, although close. An 80ED will go on a Az GTi but overall cost jumps.

My 72+Az sits at around £800, maybe a bit less, not much however. That is Almost exactly A$1500. Nice small setup but maybe doesn't come to the expectations. Also Aus has some high import duties if I recall.

If you opt for a dobsonian maybe consider the 150 that if f/8 so 1200mm focal length.

And throw in that whatever you get, add in a few eyepieces, and the 72ED needs a 2" diagonal as it doesn't come with one as standard. Well mine didn't. Check retailers for used equipment, one might have something. Have you found "iceinspace" ? Think that is the name - Aus based astronomy forum and may therefore have used equipment for sale.

im sorry but i dont know most of terms you are using, and i get what your trying to say, but can you give me a overall summary of what your tyring to say. and i live in QLD brisbane, i will do my studies on telescopes but can you tell me what telescope your trying to reccomend me?

6 minutes ago, Tiny Clanger said:

Slow down there, don't rush into something  without doing lots of research. 

 Enthusiasm is great, but you can end up  buying the wrong thing very easily. There is a load of information to be found online, especially about the 130 heritage under the  name of a version of it in the USA  'one sky newtonian', look it up.

You have a manual 130mm 'scope,  and a 150mm 'virtuoso model twice the price in mind. The latter needs 8 AA batteries or a powertank or other external power supply for the electronics to work. Extra cost and weight .

All the heritage models are tabletop dobsonians too ... you need to raise them off the ground by around 60cm . If you have the storage space, a classic 150 dob might suit you better.

Is there a local  asttronomy group you can get in touch with,  where you could maybe see some 'scopes in action ?

no i dont know any astronomy groups, are you reccomending me the 130p heritage?, and if i get that can i get extra eye pieces for them? and what is a 150 dob, can you give me some info on that? thanks

1 minute ago, Astro Noodles said:

I imagine the shipping costs from the UK will be expensive. Also, these are delicate scientific instruments, what if you need to return it under warranty? There might also be customs or import duties to pay. It will take weeks or even months to arrive.

well then do you know where to get the skywatcher 150p virtuoso, and the 3 eyepeices i need which include a 8mm and a 12 mm and a 2x barlow in an australian retailer?

6 minutes ago, Astro Noodles said:

If you are in Australia, you will probably want to buy from an Australian retailer.

Sky-Watcher Virtuoso 150mm (6") Collapsible Dobsonian - Bintel

i am in Australia but is it okay if i dont buy it from there?

Ok people, now i need your help deciding between the

https://www.firstlightoptics.com/heritage/skywatcher-heritage-130p-flextube.html

and the

https://www.firstlightoptics.com/heritage/skywatcher-heritage-150p-flextube-virtuoso-gti.html

im looking for a easy to handle and one that can zoom far enough to see the rings of jupiter and to see the saturn rings and cassini division in good detail thanks

Ok 

3 minutes ago, CraigT82 said:

Most scopes will only show Uranus and Neptune as small bluish discs, they look just like stars at low magnifications but at higher magnifications you can tell they are planets. 

Pluto will always look just like a dim star in any amateur telescope. 

do you know where i can get these scopes? or are they in the box, thanks

7 minutes ago, Knighty2112 said:

If you give us an idea of a max budget that might help. One’s definition of cheap can vary from people to people!   

my max budget is 1500$ AUS

8 minutes ago, CraigT82 said:

Hi and welcome to the forum. If you want something cheap and good you can't really do worse that a Skywatcher Heritage 130p.

https://www.firstlightoptics.com/heritage/skywatcher-heritage-130p-flextube.html

This scope will show you Jupiters cloud bands and the great red spot, plus Saturn's rings, moons and the Cassini division. 

It will also work well on deep sky objects. It is very portable and easily transported to observing sites with darker skies which really helps with the deep sky targets.

 

Thanks this is exactly what i was looking for, do you think i will have any trouble with it as a person new to telescopes and, will i have any problems with it? because if no im going to add it to cart

Hi im new to this forum and website. I have recently downloaded a app that lets me track planets nebulas stars and other things in deep space. Im just a amateur and have a 10x50 binoculars that can barely see planets, i was wondering if any of you people can reccomend me good and cheap binoculars/telescopes or other equipment but mainly binoculars because im a amateur or telescopes that are good for amateurs that can make me see the planets somewhat up close enough that i can see saturns rings or titan in good detail that it dosent seem like dot and big enough to see the rings in good detail something that can make me see up close,that is cheap and good Thanks, Greatly appreciated