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newtonian wins
1 minute ago, dweller25 said:I compared an 8” Newtonian to a C8 a few years ago.....
https://stargazerslounge.com/topic/134458-jupiter-1st-feb-2012-c8-v-8-newt/
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21 minutes ago, 2STAR said:
Hi, If your sky is anything like here in the UK, then you do not get that many good nights per year, studying the night sky is an option if you live in a good area with not many clouds like here in UK North, forget getting a small scope or binoculars.
what area of the UK are you in?
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2 minutes ago, dweller25 said:
It’s a Good idea to check out your club members 10” Dobsonian 👍
i think another member has a 8 inch schmidt cassegrain
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okay so considering all of the bits of advice that im getting i want to clarify some things as well as the general direction im heading into
- this is going to be a gift from my girlfriend and her budget for me is 2000 dollars or 1783 euro. i want to make full use of this when the time is right.
- AP is optional, not necessary. i don't need to show off to other people with pictures or fancy videos so visual observations will do
- i will have the opportunity to see through smaller telescopes because of my astronomy club so i dont need to buy a smaller one to begin with since i can experience different types of smaller and bigger telescopes of the three different classes and make my decision later.
that being said i am leaning towards a xx12i for the following reasons.
- i can still take pictures of the moon if i want
- big aperture (double that of the 6 evo)
- within budget (1749 euros), i can buy eyepieces later.
- 1:10 ratio fine focusing
- intelliscope model so perfect for learning the nights sky
- truss design so more portable than a XT10i which has a full tube (and no 1:10 fine focusing on the XT10i) but less portable than a schmidt cassegrain. i am still young and very active so this compromise shouldn't pose a problem but i know someone in my club who owns a 10 inch dob so i can test it out beforehand
- faster cooldown than a cassegrain becuase of active cooling?
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i visited an astronomy club this week but the weather was bad so no stargazing. i think all things considered its going to be either the celestron 6 evo or orion xx12i.
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well i live in Belgium which is extremely light polluted and i have to drive at least 1 to 2 hours to find a place with reasonable light pollution. i don't own a car so i have to rely on other people for transport. i do however go to Sweden for the past two years now where it is very dark but this is either by car (family) or plane. they say that the best telescope is one you use the most. if i buy a Orion XT12i it will probably not be transported by car very often and it will be used from my small backyard with alot of light pollution. a celestron nexstar 6 evo or 8se i will be able to take with me on the plane or in the car on holidays. i've never owned a telescope so i wonder which one will give me the most joy and usability. ive been told Schmidt cassegrains are more suitable for AF than dobsonians.
i could go for the xx12i trusstube design... a little bit more portable than a XT10i with a truckload of aperture
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what about schmidt cassegrains? i mean refractors are super expensive if you want good ones. dobsonians are cheap but less portable and i want to be able to take it with me to places
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so in terms of portability and price per aperture which is best?
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i went to a local telescope shop and i have my eye on the celestron nexstar 6 evolution. my budget has increased to around 1700 euros
benefits of this scope
- portability, i can even take it with me on a plane in hand baggage!
- integrated wifi so i can connect with my phone
- long lasting battery
- go to system
- astrophotography becomes real accessible now
downsides:
- small aperture compared to the XT12i or XT10i
for my first telescope should i buy the XT10i, xt12i, celestron nexstar 6 evolution or maybe the nexstar 8SE?
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Well I went to a stargazing club today and I am quite puzzled again. A Schmidt cassegrain is suddenly interesting again since its very portable and I can do astrophotography with it. And I found a celestron 8SE on sale at optcorp. Anyone here has some experience with them?
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7 hours ago, Demonperformer said:
I think you will enjoys the views you get with it.
There are no doubt people who will advise you to stock up with extra eyepieces (and other things), but I would advise patience. One of the greatest skills you can develop is to learn to "see" rather than just "look at". This takes time and patience. The longer you observe an object at the eyepiece, the more you will see. Start with the EPs provided and upgrade when you know why you are doing it. What do you expect your new purchase to achieve that your current gear doesn't? If you don't have an answer to that question, you can find yourself spending a lot of money to very little advantage (I speak as one who did exactly that!).
The only other thing you really need are clear skies (yeah, like that's going to happen!) and a dark site from which to observe. One thing you might find useful, however, is a planisphere. Some (including me) find this easier than a standard star atlas. Dial in the date and time, hold it over your head oriented to the north, and it matches the sky perfectly.
You are in for some fun nights with that scope ... enjoy!
exactly my thoughts maybe a barlow lense might be useful or a laser collimator but ill see what i get with the telescope and go from there
a planishere i already have on my phone called skysafari so i can search up any DSO or planet and its location
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i think im going for the XT10i based on following statements
- biggest aperture
- push to system will help me learn the sky so ideal for beginners (no need for external power source and cheaper)
- i can always spend more money on eyepieces
- i can easily lift 24 kilos if my scope is in a bag
- i can always upgrade to a 1:10 ratio focus
https://www.astromarket.org/cart
anything else i need to start stargazing?
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hmm the only way to find out is to go to a store and try it out for myself then.
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24 minutes ago, Wavseeker said:
To be fairly honest I just want to see as deep as possible and I'm more than happy to leave AP behind. The choice is between the ones I mentioned above I guess. Will a push to give me as much pleasure as a go to system?
if i want the deepest view for my money, should i go with a pushto, Goto or even without a pushto system and navigate with a starmap?
like this one
https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/orion-dobson-telescope-n-254-1200-skyquest-xt10-plus-dob/p,55405
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2 minutes ago, johninderby said:
Optical Tube Assembly
Yes I just Googled it
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To be fairly honest I just want to see as deep as possible and I'm more than happy to leave AP behind. The choice is between the ones I mentioned above I guess. Will a push to give me as much pleasure as a go to system?
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The xt10i that I linked is a push to model. So it won't track like a goto model.
If I buy the goto Xt8 I will spend more money on a power supply while also giving up a bigger aperture. But I can track objects so astrophotography is an option and people say on alot of forums it's amazing to use. Also it has the 1:10 fine tune.
If I choose for the xt10 I get a push to system and bigger aperture but I can't track anymore so astrophotography is going to be limited. It's cheaper because I don't need an expensive powersource. No 1:10 fine tune.
It's a difficult choice
I'm going to my local astronomy club next week
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is there alot of difference between the xt8 and the xt10 in terms of what you see?
ive asked this question to a salesperson at astroshop.eu and he told me this "no, there is not that much difference, and the 10 inch is not so easy to handle as the 8 inch."
but i cant seem to choose between push to or a Go To system
im either buying this one
or this one
https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/orion-dobson-telescope-n-203-1200-skyquest-xt8g-dob-goto/p,20126
also i want to point out that there is a 1:10 fine movement focuser on the XT8 and not on the XT10. does this matter alot?
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hmmm interesting. if i abandon AF completely and just focus on seeing as much as i can and as deep into the sky as i can with my eyes, what scope should i get? push to being the minimum requirement since go to systems are more expensive.
would the orion skyquest xt10i be the best option or are there scopes with push to systems that can see deeper into the nights skies?
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First off thank you so much for these responses. I did some research myself and it kinda confirms what I found. You cannot beat a dobsonian in price per aperture.
I found this beauty online and in terms of money it's a little bit less than that skywatcher. How does orion compare to skywatcher? Are they the same quality?
I will also look at that website first light optics.
Btw I'm from Belgium maybe that plays a role in choosing my online shop?
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Ladies and gentleman,
Thank you for helping me in advance.
As a kid I've always been fascinated with the sky and what was in it. The nights sky is filled with beautiful stars and nebulae and I want to see them for myself and be amazed how insignificant we really are compared to this vast open space. So let me adress some of the key points that I want for a first scope.
1. Around €1000
2. Big aperture, I want to see as much as possible and as far as possible while not losing a clear image
3. I would like to have a push to or go to system
4. Beginner friendly
5. Size is not a problem
8. I prefer reflectors since it seems they give more aperture for the money but if you know a better scope that sees more with less aperture let me know
9. I have a Canon 550D and maybe I could use this for a bit of astrophotography. This is last on the list tho and can be scrapped if the first 3 points aren't met
Of course build quality is very important when making my choice so keep that in mind as well.
I'm looking forward to you guys advice.
Happy stargazing and clear skies!
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you have a big national park tho to the north of you