first of all, thank you all so much for the fast replies, i didnt expect to get so many in such short time!
i hadnt check FLO as of writing this topic and now i feel kinda dumb, bigger stuff like a 150p are cheaper there than a Z114 in amazon, many more options now, so back to reading reviews, thank you for pointing that out.
also, im already narrowing down a bit, it sure would be very, very exciting to look at saturns rings or make out the spot on jupiter but i find looking at stars to be so much more entrancing than i expected.
i just cant wait to go see rural sky and try getting some looks at the messier catalogue and some nebulae!
so i guess id rather get something "all purposey" but more aimed at deep sky, and id like to get some simple pictures every now and then to show my family, but i dont think ill get too invested in AP just yet, just looking at the monsters of setups some people have makes my wallet ache.
dully noted, i've been reading some reviews by the people at Telescopicwatch.com where they rip most of celestron scopes to shreds due to all sorts of trouble, meanwhile these scopes have thousands of units sold and good reviews on places like amazon, you quickly realize its mostly beginners who never had previous experiences.
i've never had any previous experience importing stuff from the us outside from amazon and ebay, where they handle everything for you anyways. i'll do some research into it then, but i would be very thankful if you could point me out to some page or forum where i could find such sales.
this was my main issue, im not affraid of making my own stuff, ive done plenty of diy in my life thus far, but a scope feels different in the fact that i would never know if its working properly as i have little experience with telescopes, none with reflectors anyways.
I ommited that i used to have, or well, my younger brother got for christmas a 50 mm bushnell refractor about 6 or 7 years ago, he never got that invested with using it (being like 8 or 9 years old), but i learned to calibrate the finderscope, got some understading on eyepieces and barlow lenses, and mainly used to look at the moon which was about the only thing i could locate with what i knew. as kids we were and as kids often do, stuff started to break or get lost, so i cant really do much with a fogged up department store tube with no eyepieces and a scratched up lens and AFAIK my binoculars are just better anyhow.
its mostly a mature beginning, as my previous experience was when i was like 15 years old, so not much money or knowledge to "get serious".
in the video and looking at forums on diy of course they mention the colimation setups, those are actually the parts you need to 3d print, but after reading these replies, i'll definitely buy a scope to have real experience before attempting to diy one.
also noted, im very wary of the mounts now, back when i had the bushnell scope it came with this forked alt-az mount with a thumbscrew at each side on a rather spindly tripod, this mount was so bad im getting shivers just thinking back about it.
im looking at dobsonians now for how simple they look to use but ive always been interested in equatorials (ever seen that one simpsons clip where bart is helping skinner with his astronomy and he just keeps telling bart hours, minutes, seconds and what not, along with "no sightings" for hours on end, it just looked so fun and it has lived in my head rent-free ever since)
anyhow, any and all info on such gear would be welcome.
whew, i got a bit carried away responding, then again im so glad for the replies in such short notice, thank you all for your advice!
best regards, RIPM