Michael Kieth Adams Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 This would probably not explain the total mass of unseen matter but it might explain some of it. Our universe is apparently about thirteen billion years old. Almost every star that we examine seems to have planets. How many stars have lived out their lives in thirteen billion years? Every star that dies may leave one or more planets loose in the galaxy. Huge masses of gas from dying stars must be out there. Also there must have been a huge amount of matter that never became stars. Sub atomic particles that never became atoms should also be out there . Anyone have a guess as to how much? We’ve been looking for strange exotic stuff but the unseen matter may just be universal leftovers from universe building processes. Just another silly idea. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_astro Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) As you say most of the Baryonic matter in the universe is not in stars but as dust and gas in interstellar space (Not as planets though as they make up a very small fraction of the mass in a typical system). Various techniques can be used to calculate or measure the total amount of Baryonic matter in the universe and these appear to be converging on a consensus figure. See "the missing baryon problem" in Wikipedia for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_baryon_problem This is well short of what is required to give the universe its critical density or explain the motion of galaxies though hence leading to the conclusion that there is a much larger fraction of as yet undefined non baryonic (dark) matter Edited February 24 by robin_astro clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_astro Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) Note that even finding more Baryonic (ordinary) matter would not solve the problem that the postulated (non baryonic) dark matter solves as dark matter would need different properties to normal (Baryonic) matter to explain the various observations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter Edited February 24 by robin_astro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Kieth Adams Posted February 24 Author Share Posted February 24 Baryonic matter, if I got it right, is essentially subatomic particles which are often unassembled atoms. What makes the bits that they are made of come together? Could they form clouds and have gravities effects? How could they be detected? I think about neutrinos, we barely know that they exist, what else is out there, the movement of the galaxies tells us that there is something, maybe leftovers from universe building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_astro Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Michael Kieth Adams said: Baryonic matter, if I got it right, is essentially subatomic particles which are often unassembled atoms To a cosmologist, Baryonic matter is all normal matter (assembled or unassembled into larger structures like atoms) https://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/b/Baryonic+Matter We know how much of that stuff was created at the big bang and it agrees with the latest measurements of all that stuff now. Dark matter if it exists was proposed to solve a different problem. It may be some exotic particle but it has to have different properties from the stuff we already know about and does not interact with it except through gravity Edited February 24 by robin_astro clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_astro Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 39 minutes ago, Michael Kieth Adams said: What makes the bits that they are made of come together? https://home.cern/science/physics/standard-model There are four fundamental forces at work in the universe: the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force, and the gravitational force. They work over different ranges and have different strengths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_astro Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 The Wikipedia entry for Dark Matter pretty much covers what you are talking about. The current thinking on what it might be and alternative theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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