A BIG thanks to all those helpful hints and tips - I look forward to trying to put them to good use when I get a sky that's not full of cloud I will report back if I get any Joy - Everyone seems to say that eventually it will align correctly but at the moment just a little baffled what the cause is and spoils the evening when I spend so much time faffing about trying to align. I'm impressed that matsey is up and going in 5 mins. I always thought that as long as star was reasonably central in the FOV with a low power eyepiece slewing to another star should get the star in the same area of the eyepiece - obviously not. I will keep trying and if unsuccessful look out for a 6SE for sale advert Many thanks again for your comments