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 A nice quality set of eyepiece in green and black .

An eyepiece set like that would keep many of us happy for many years, probably a lifetime ,and a great investment I should of imagine if you compared the price in 2009 to 2020

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Hi . If your main interest with this scope is mainly planetary and Luna. And if size and weight are an issue. Then I would opt for a nice high quality 100ED refractor. 

Hello. All things being equal then bigger is better. It has more light gathering ability. Which is always better on the fainter DSO. But bigger also can be more problematic in lifting , travelling, setting up in general. I have a 14" and a 8" and finding lately I am using the smaller scope more due to the practicality of the scope. The best scope is the one you will use. So if you have no problems with handling the 10" then go with that, otherwise the 8" is a great all round aperture for most.

Hope this helps 

If you wish one scope and it needs to be a refractor, then I would pay the extra for an ED scope and for the money then look for a good used SW 120ED , I have one of these and find it a good all rounder. Also remember to factor in for a mount. I use a AZ4 on 2" stainless steel legs and I find this set up works for me.

But I understand why reflector scopes are so recommended. As you do get so much more money for your buck. If you are interested in going down this route then I would look at a good quality 8" reflector. Still manageable to transport IMO and will have so much more aperture , so light gathering ability to draw those photons in. This means on the faint fuzzies , DSO will perform so much better than more limited aperture (seeing conditions permitting) . I have a 8" OOuk with a quality mirror, and it is such a good all round visual scope .

So the above would be my recommended routes , and look at the second hand market as you can get some very good quality astro gear at very sensible money.

Hello.

The vast majority of my astro gear has been purchased used. And I have had no real problems going down this route. Have a look at the gear and of course have a look through the scope. Get the owner to get the mount to operate if possible. Take your time and go through a few basic checks , but usually astro gear has been well looked after . And purchasing used can save you a small fortune and you can get some real high quality gear at very sensible money.

Yes ask your grandparents, you will have no sellers regrets then ,like many seem to get on SGL when they sell on a lovely piece of equipment.

Its not like you are asking them to store a 20 or 24  inch Dob in there living room, that would be asking a bit much 😀 

To get more clear magnification on a like for like basis. Then you really need to go for more aperture. More aperture on a like for like basis allows more light gathering ability and in turn you have the ability (with the correct eyepiece and seeing conditions) to use more magnification.

If you currency use a 130mm reflector scope, then to see a reasonable step up at sensible money then I would consider a 200mm reflector.

I hope this helps 

47 minutes ago, popeye85 said:

I hope the op won't mind me hijacking the thread for a bit 😁😁😁

I'm also in a bit of a muddled state about upgrading my eyepieces and could do with the help of you fine people!

I've just upgraded to a 12"dob and want to get some eyepieces that will do it justice-at the minute I just have a Mish-mash set of basic eyepieces.

I am looking at the explore scientific 82° set at the minute mainly due to the wide FOV and it sits perfectly into my current budget. Although may upgrade again in a few years. 

The FL in the range come in at. 

4.7.     6.7.   8.8.   11.   14.    18.   24.    30

 

I'm thinking 4 or 5 ep's for the set but struggling to pick which ones-any advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated! 

Thanks.

Popeye.

P.s happy to look at other brands but the budget is £120-150.

From the focal length range of eyepiece you mention. Then I would opt for the 

4.7   8.8   14   24

Why ,this will give you a good range from high mag power for planet, mid power and lower range power for DSO. Depending on the exact focal ratio of your scope. But from an initial answer from the information provided then this would give you a good spread of eyepiece powers for observation.

 Are you chaps on a weight loss program 😉

Sometimes you are better off buying the eyepiece you really want , than upgrading later. I did this with my 20 mm Nagler T5 . And have never regretted it. Buy once and buy right first time is never false economy. As a good eyepiece you are happy with will last you a life time. And purchased used a TV will usually keep its value if you ever want to sell on 

Hello. Mixing a scope for visual and AP does not usually work well on your budget.

For AP then the SW 80ED is a very popular and well regarded scope in this range, and you could do a bit of visual.

But for visual a SW 100ED or a second hand SW120ED would be my recommendations.

Hope this helps 

Just to clarify for the OP. A bigger scope ,by this more aperture will allow for more light gathering ability. In turn (like for like quality , mirror or lens) more magnification can be used and therefore a better image will be shown (Sky conditions permitting)

I have a 8" reflector, and think it really is a top performing all round scope for very sensible money.

Hello. If you already have "Turn left at Orion" then there are plenty to have a go at. Turn left is a great way to start learning around the night sky. One point to keep in mind is light pollution if you are in a big city , this really does effect the faint fuzzy DSO. For really good faint DSO then a true dark site is needed. So well worth putting the kit in the car if needed and travelling to  true dark Sky's, where faint DSO just pop to the eyes

The AZ4 is a really great mount IMO. I run my 120ED on this , and the 8" OO newt. Mine does have the 2" stainless steel legs. But for the money purchase second hand then I have found this mount just right for my needs . it is simply, strong and effective for very sensible money 

Hello. I find binoviewers a great add on to my refractor set up , especially on Luna. Such a more relaxing and 3d type of experience.

I have read some people do not get on with certain type/manufacturer when it comes to binoviewing but as you have tried 5 sets , maybe you are one of the unlucky ones who just cannot get them to work for you. I think John the moderator also has had a similar experience. Such a shame as binoviewers really can add another dimension to a refractor experience from the great results I have managed to enjoy.

First of all there are some great "Orthos" out there, so if you can live with the narrow field of view and tighter eye relief. Then the Ortho represents great value for money.

With regards to storage , I keep mine in some "bolt cases" to keep them nice and safe 

Hello. If your friend has seen photos of these DSO in books , then do not expect the same views through the eyepiece. AP and observations are two different things especially with the faint fuzzies.

Make sure your friends site , is really a "Dark site" . The difference when it comes to observation can be vast. Things that pop in true Dark sites ,cannot be seen in light pollution areas.

Finally, is your friend looking in the correct place in the Sky's?  Get the book " Turn left at orion" at great book to get the novice used to finding objects .

Hope the above helps 

If you have cleaned the lens , and UV treatment. Then the fungus may have already slightly etched the coating of the lens in any case. If it was me I would carry on with the UV for a while. And see if the spots get any worse or not over the next weeks/months. If the lens stays in the same condition as now, and you have stopped any further damage . The cost of getting a professional company to strip/ect may be quite expensive, and damage from the existing fungus may have already left its etched mark on the lens?

Hello. A Nice 6" or  8" reflector would be my first choice. Probably best keeping a look out on the used market.

2 hours ago, Ruud said:

 

I once was stupid enough to buy a bottle of Baader's liquid. 

I must be one of the thousands of stupid people that have purchased Baader fluid and been very happy with the results. For £12 I am not going to risk mixing my own, especially as I understand the purity of products can vary. Reminds me of a chap I knew a few years back who said I was wasting my money purchasing a decent oil for my engine, Strange how he later had premature engine wear/ failure , need a say more. You pays your money and takes your choice. For £12 I will keep my Baader fluid, stuff lasts ages and is in a nice convenient spray bottle.

1 hour ago, Dippy said:

Baader optical wonder solution is practically Isopropyl alcohol. Instead of £12 for a 70mL of it, buy a 1000 mL of Isopropyl alcohol for £22 (before pandemic it was only £5). They have also smaller bottles which will be cheaper of course. The Baader solution and Isopropyl alcohol don’t remove the toughest of fungi on optics, only a few of the less deep set ones can be treated with them. I have used both for cleaning eyepieces and on certain stage of cleaning several 8 to 12 inch mirrors. They both worked identical. When applied through an optical cleaning fabric, they remove ( dissolve) fatty oils and fingerprints of n optical surfaces. I had cleaned a 12 inch mirror once which for some unknown reason had ice cream stain on it (cleaning followed standard operation procedure for cleaning coated aluminised mirrors).

If you wish to opt for cheap and cheerful solutions, then that is entirety up to you. But when there are many people on this site with very expensive refractor scopes worth thousands ,then I do not think spending £12 to use a specially designed high quality fluid  to clean your refractor lens or eyepiece correctly is false economy. And a bottle lasts a considerable time. 👍  for Baader optical fluid 

18 hours ago, Dippy said:

Baader optical wonder solution is practically Isopropyl alcohol. Instead of £12 for a 70mL of it, buy a 1000 mL of Isopropyl alcohol for £22 (before pandemic it was only £5). They have also smaller bottles which will be cheaper of course. The Baader solution and Isopropyl alcohol don’t remove the toughest of fungi on optics, only a few of the less deep set ones can be treated with them. 

17 hours ago, Robindonne said:

No you’re right.  But i see these rebranded fluids all the time. The pur foam cleaner or nail polish cleaner etc can be bought in bulk bottles for less then a tenth of the price.  The aluminum from a telescope tube also...   Its a bit the comfort of a proven fluid in a workable flacon etc.   
 

 

 

Sorry but disagree with this. The items that may be similar in make up/chemicals. Baader fluid is made specifically for cleaning lens. There is no way that to save a few £ use a "possible " similar chemical mix to clean my lens. To me this is false economy, by encouraging this then someone me strip the lens coating or scratch ect lens. Baader fluid is designed for the lens. Would you stick some lorry diesel oil in  your high performance car because its "Oil"?

I have an older set of TS binoviewers. And have found them very well made and performance wise no double image. For the money I was very happy with the purchase (purchased used) and still have them and still going strong. Maybe over the years specs/materials change ,and quality may not be quite as good? . But the  TS ones I have , nothing to complain about, very good set 

12 hours ago, Astrid said:

I know the feel of giving up. I’ve been searching for a telescope for the last couple of months and still didn’t find one. Everytime I’m almost certain of getting one specific model, i find others that seem better and are easier to use. 
But what’s important is that your passion for astronomy is greater than the frustration, time and patience it takes to find one. 

 

You can always find something better, but at what cost

Get a nice quality 8" reflector. The views are superb and such a wide ranging instrument that will give you years of enjoyment for very little money(especially if purchased used)

Hello.

Blow any dust off initially . And then use a clean microfibre cloth with some Baader Wonder fluid.