Don Pensack

Bear in mind these are the same as the Meades, and lab tests show they are not really 100° fields, more like 88-90°

Look for test reports on the Meades to find reviews.

There are other 100-110° eyepieces marketed by many companies (APM, Lunt, TS, StellarVue, William Optics, SkyWatcher, et.al.) that are made by KUO and are legitimately 100-110°.

KunMing United Optical (KUO) is the manufacturer of the 100/110°:

Lunt

APM

StellarVue

SkyWatcher

Telescope Service

William Optics

It's unrealistic to think that the coatings are different in any of them--the manufacturer couldn't make any money doing that.

As to who makes the 100° eyepieces that are really closer to 90° (like the Meade), I don't know.

On 31/03/2009 at 12:19, Jarvo said:

OK so maybe some might disagree.

I took the plunge last week an purchased my first Televue eyepiece.

I wanted a low power eyepiece as I have a 150mm Skywatcher Mak (focal length 1800mm) which is spot on for bright things but struggles with the standard eyepieces provided with the telescope when looking for fainter objects.

Started out looking at Mizar - pin point stars right to the edge of the field of view.

Then moved onto M35 in Gemini. The number of stars was truely awesome. Stars were sprikled over the field of view. Mesmerising.

Then moved onto the Moon. Viewed the Moon with the AE Apochromatic Barlow. Details were unbelievably crisp. Spent ages studying the Lunar Surface.

Next went onto Saturn with the Televue and Barlow. I though this would give me good magnification whilst the Barlow corrected any chromatic abberation. Again Saturn was point point sharp with a hint of the Cassinin division visable as well as a number of moons (I counted six).

As for the eyepiece itsself, even though it is one of the less expensive Televue products, it really is a quality piece of craftmanship. From the coatings on the glass to the green line on the barrel this really is an excellent eyepiece.

I suppose my point is this. There are cheaper eyepieces out there but the Televue ones really are a class apart. (And yes I am on a budget which is why I'm not reviewing an Ethos !!)

Hope this helps anyone considering their next eyepiece.

Jarvo

It's my favorite TeleVue Plössl.  It's 49.5°, and the edge illumination is a tad vignetted, but that doesn't matter when you look through it.  You may acquire a lot more eyepieces in upcoming years, but this one should stay with you.

There aren't many eyepieces like this one I regret selling, but this is one of them.  Of course, I can always get another, LOL.

If you have one labeled 72°, it's a "collector's item".

It's like the 2" Olivon 70° eyepieces with 1.25" on the barrels.  

Oops. 

Like a double-stamped coin, or some cars a few years ago recalled because they had a different name badge on the rear from the model they were.

I kind of look at the TV filters as special versions of the Astronomiks (Astronomik makes them for TeleVue).

I've seen some recent Astronomiks edging up on 98% transmission, too.

In the field, though, I've been unable to see a brightness difference among the 3.  Remember, a 10% difference is only 0.1 magnitude, which is much less than the hour-to-hour sky variation at most sites.

They have more elements than Plössls and are larger and heavier.

As a result, eye reliefs are longer than Plössls and so they are usable down to 3mm focal lengths.

But, like many ES eyepieces, control of astigmatism at the edges in fast focal ratios, or control of internal light scatter, are the two places where they don't measure up to the high end eyepieces.

Bear in mind, these are very inexpensive eyepieces, so match your expectations to the price.  If you look at it that way, they are good eyepieces.

Many of these eyepieces are from the Chinese firm of United Optics in KunMing (KUO),

They are sold under Telescope Service, William Optics, SkyWatcher, StellarVue, and Lunt/APM labels.

There are slight differences in the barrels.

On 11/06/2019 at 20:06, Louis D said:

I think the Paracorr is supposed to go first since you need to maintain a constant distance between the primary and the corrector lens (ala the SIPS version).  I can't reach focus with a barlow or telecentric magnifier when using my GSO CC, so I remove the CC since slowing down the light cone greatly reduces coma anyway.

Since the light rays after the Powermate are parallel, it should probably go first since getting the eyepiece correctly placed relative to the Paracorr lens is critical for best coma correction.

FWIW, my best lifetime view of Jupiter was with PowerMate + Paracorr + 8mm Ethos, at 456x, in literally perfect seeing (Pickering 10).

On 17/02/2016 at 01:28, bomberbaz said:

Just wondering from anyone who has owned both or just who knows the difference between the type I and type II.  

I note from the televue website that the type II has a 1.15 barlow effect to push out the focus but cannot find any info on the type I ref this.

Is the focus push out on the type one and two the same.

which gives the better control on coma. One would assume its the II.

I am not rushng out to buy one (heard this before) but one never knows.

Steve

In essence: the Paracorr 1 corrects a 40mm field width down to f/5 and is close to that at f/4.8.

The Paracorr 2 was developed for faster scopes and corrects a 40mm field completely down to f/3.5.

The Paracorr 1 had a range of 12.7mm, and some of today's eyepieces were outside the range of travel (notably 31mm Nagler and 21mm and 17mm Ethos).

The Paracorr 2 has a range of 17.8mm, and accommodates the modern eyepieces with very high focal planes.

The Paracorr 1 has 4 lenses, the Paracorr 2 has 5.

Both units have the 1.15x magnification primarily to avoid having to in-focus the eyepiece + Paracorr combination too far.  A good example is that the Paracorrs require about 14mm of in-travel compared

to the eyepieces alone, while the Explore Scientific HRCC requires 32mm of in-travel.

Where imaging is concerned, the tunable top is removed and the 2.4" adapter is added to either Paracorr.  Achieving focus will be the same with each.

At f/5, in imaging, you will not really see a difference between the two Paracorrs if set up properly.

Visually, you will see a difference, and most notably with the 3 eyepieces I mention and a few others from other companies.

I find the TeleVue Bandmate II O-III (2018+), the Astronomik O-III Visual (2018+), and the Lumicon Gen.3 O-III all equal in the field.  You can't lose with any of them.

My own personal filters were lab-tested and here are the results:

Many years ago, my friends and I compared the XL Zoom in a Pentax 80mm ED spotting scope with 3 focal lengths of Pentax XW eyepieces in the same scope.

We discovered:

--the images were a LOT brighter in the separate eyepieces, even matching focal lengths

--the images were a lot sharper in the separate eyepieces

--the field curvature of the zoom was more than the separate eyepieces

--the sharpness of the separate eyepieces was superior to the zoom.

With the zoom, the spotting scope was just average.  With the separate eyepieces, it was up there with Leica, Swarovski, and Zeiss in terms of performance.

After what we saw, I can no longer recommend the XL (SMC) Zoom.  Certainly it is a lot less expensive than a Leica, but it is more than the Baader, which I rate to be a better zoom.

Yes, the interaction of a barlow with the curved field of a refractor would be different than the interaction of the same barlow and a flatter field reflector or perhaps a refractor with a field flattener.

Likewise, the spherical or chromatic aberration of the telescope objective would play differently after passage through the lens.

Then, the position of the focal plane in the eyepiece barrel will determine the exact amplification power of the Barlow, so it might vary from eyepiece to eyepiece.

I owned one of these 3 element short Japanese Barlows in the '90s, and they were quite good (sold as Parks Gold Series, Celestron Ultima, Orion Shorty Plus, etc.).

But they weren't quite the equal of a few of today's top Barlows (e.g. Baader VIP, TeleVue PowerMate) when it came to being essentially the same, optically, as a short focal length eyepiece without a Barlow.

Still, a very good Barlow and it sounds like a good "find".

Since the Ethos comes in 21mm, 17mm, 13mm, 10mm, 8mm, 6mm, 4.7mm, and 3.7mm

while the APM/Lunt HDC XWAs come in 20mm, 13mm, 9mm, 5mm, and 3.5mm. it would appear there is only one focal length in common.

Some enterprising soul needs to acquire a complete set of each and do in-depth comparisons for us all (and don't suggest I do it--I don't get enough observing time in as it is!).

On 19/07/2017 at 17:53, jetstream said:

Really good... I need more time though- there is a nice little 5 galaxy cluster in UMA where one of them is a nice test of things, they are NGC 3998,NGC 3990,NGC3972,NGC 3982 and the tricky NGC 3977.

I'll try the 21E vs the Lunt on this set but the trees are in the way atm lol!

You must have a long focal length scope.  I typically use a 13mm or 10mm eyepiece on that group (my scope has an 1825mm focal length).  20-21mm would seem to be a bit low in power.

The same eyepiece is also sold under the Astromania, Knight Owl, Olivon, Omegon, and TMB labels as well as BST and Sky Watcher.

They are quite competent eyepieces and work well in scopes of f/6+ (shorter focal ratios will induce some edge of field astigmatism)

Among the various brands, they are available in 2.5mm, 3.2mm, 4mm, 4.5mm, 5mm, 6mm, 7mm, 8mm, 9mm, 15mm, 20mm, and 25mm

If I were starting out again, instead of the junk I used then, these would be on my radar screen as a "best buy" eyepiece, along with the Celestron X-Cel LX, Meade HD60, and the various brands of BST eyepiece sold as Astrotech Paradigms, BST Starguide, etc. (about 6 different labels for that one).

This inexpensive 58-60° type of eyepiece is more comfortable to use, has a wider field, and general better mechanical structures than the ubiquitous inexpensive Plossls sold under 50 brand names.

I like the eyecups on these (once the oil underneath is wiped off).

The MWA and XWA are from two different manufacturers.

It will be interesting to see if the reviews of the MWAs are favorable, since they are, at the moment at least, a little less expensive than the XWAs were.

100 degree eyepieces are getting popular.  It seems a new one springs up every month, though, to be fair, many are the same eyepieces with different private labels on the outside.

Every now and then, someone makes a design change that favors use (example: the new Lunt 100/110 degree eyepieces).

I'm glad to see the expansion of interest: Agena, Explore Scientific, Lunt, Magellan (KK), Meade, Omegon, SkyWatcher, Telescope Service, TeleVue, William Optics, Nikon.

Now, if only someone other than Explore Scientific became interested in 120 degree eyepieces.

Just a note:

In the pressure chambers where the eyepieces are assembled, it doesn't matter what gas is used.

However, under nitrogen the seals in the machine fail more often when nitrogen is used than when argon is used.

Since refitting the machine with new seals means down-time and lost production, argon, though more expensive than nitrogen,

results in increased production and lower per-unit cost than using the less expensive nitrogen.

Any claim this makes any difference to the end user is advertising hype.

ES has entirely changed over to Argon, though they still have stock of 20x100 in N2 version.

From the standpoint of amateur astronomers, it makes no difference which gas is used.

My own eyepieces are pressurized with a nitrogen-oxygen-argon mix to 14.7psi.  Always have been.