david's dob Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 hello Guys and girls.Iv'e seen the crab nebula and it wasn't wat i expected, a white smudge, . I expected some structure to it, abit like the ring nebula, where you see the outside ring and some faint colour to it. I know im not expecting some photographic views, however from my dob i though it would be a great find. however the Double Cluster was Awsome and im still trying to find the eskimo nebula on Gemini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Bat Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I have to use filters to detect the merest form of structure, suprisingly the best views is with the UHC filter rather than the OIII filter which I thought would provide better views.Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Even with 16" of aperture I don't see any internal structure. I do see a clearly defined shape but the filaments you see in photo's do not appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 The fact that it's the first object in Messier's catalogue can be misleading - it's far from the most impressive. An faint oval smudge is what I see with my 4". It's a more distinct oval smudge when I add my OIII filter and combine that filter with 10" aperture and a little more "form" is suggested, but only on the darkest nights and only the slightest hints.Still at least you have had the privilege of seeing with your own eyes the remnants of the supernova event that chinese astronomers witnessed 956 years ago - that's what does it for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkerSky Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Still at least you have had the privilege of seeing with your own eyes the remnants of the supernova event that chinese astronomers witnessed 956 years ago - that's what does it for me Same here !!!The Crab is a difficult customer. Its fairly even surface brightness makes it hard to pull out from the background in light skies. Darker skies do it a bit more justice. As for structure I have clocked up about 2 hours in total at the eyepiece with relatively high magnification attempting to tease out detail with averted vision. No filaments were seen, although slight protrusions from the fat 's' shape were seen. The OIII filter gives it a completely different appearance, but no detail.It takes very good seeing to get a good visual obs of this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Bat Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Interesting to see that Seb and John report better obs with the OIII - I have found it somewhat disappointing with the OIII and the UHC adds far more contrast and pops the nebula into view far easier...However the OIII on other targets such as the owl and the ring nebula...there is no contest there is so much more to grab using this filter...Has anyone else found the OIII disappointing on M1 - in theory it should provide better views Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 This is what the Praire astronomer has to say.....M1 CRAB NEBULA (SNR in Taurus)(10 inch f/5.6, 52x, 71x, 141x.) DEEP-SKY: (3) Improves the contrast and brings out the wispy arc-like cusp on the eastern end. UHC: (4) Darkens the background and reveals little hints of tattered detail on the edges with the eastern "cusp" now more visible.OIII: (3) Much darker than in UHC, and appears slightly smaller and somewhat rounder, but with hints of filamentary detail on the edges and across the nebula at 141x.H-BETA: (0) barely visible.RECOMMENDATION FOR M1: UHC/DEEP-SKY (H-beta *not* recommended). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Bat Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Thanks Doc So the UHC edges it slightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkerSky Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Interesting to see that Seb and John report better obs with the OIII - I have found it somewhat disappointing with the OIII and the UHC adds far more contrast and pops the nebula into view far easier...However the OIII on other targets such as the owl and the ring nebula...there is no contest there is so much more to grab using this filter...Has anyone else found the OIII disappointing on M1 - in theory it should provide better views ChrisThe OIII certainly gives it a different appearance - more rounded. I wouldn't say it improves the view. I'd agree more with you that it is disappointing with the OIII. My best views have been unfiltered. That said I dont have a UHC to compare it against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talitha Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 M1 has always looked like a puff of smoke in the 8" SCT whether i'm using an O-III or not. TBH though, i prefer the non-filtered view.. it seems brighter and cleaner to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twotter Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 M1 has always looked like a puff of smoke ...That's just what I saw a few nights ago. As though a cosmic smoker had just taken a quick drag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Different brands UHC and OIII filters vary quite widely in their bandpass width. My Astronomik OIII has quite a wide band pass width compared to the Baader OIII - the views through the two are very different (I owned a Baader OIII for a short while and could not get on with it). Likewise the Baader UHC-S has a wider band pass than, say, an Orion Ultrablock (which is generally classed as a UHC). So perhaps it's not surprising that our experiences with them on, say, M1, vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikM Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I found M1 a couple of weeks ago (just about). I tried with and without a SW LPR filter and I preferred it without. I only had the faintest hint of the DSO so perhaps not enough light for the filter to work with, it just cut out too much, but still stoked to have found the crab Rik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Presland Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 a friend asked me the other day what was the point in looking at deep sky objects through my telescope when they are nothing like the pics from Hubble etc....john is spot on! seeing stuff that occurred Milena ago and seeing it for real is the reason! looking back in time wow thats what its all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeSkywatcher Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 a friend asked me the other day what was the point in looking at deep sky objects through my telescope when they are nothing like the pics from Hubble etc....john is spot on! seeing stuff that occurred Milena ago and seeing it for real is the reason! looking back in time wow thats what its all about.Even though it is tecnically/scientifically true that when we observe DSOs that we are looking back in time i dont focus on that (excuse the pun). What amazes me is that we are observing something billions of miles away..................right from our own location here on earth with nothing more then a few pieces of glass held together with a tube.Even the moon is about a quarter of a million miles away (the light from the moon takes 1.5 seconds to reach earth?).It would be great if our planet had no atmosphere because we would get spectacular unhindered views of the night sky................but we would all be dead due to solar radiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwings Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 M1 has always looked like a puff of smoke in the 8" SCT whether i'm using an O-III or not. TBH though, i prefer the non-filtered view.. it seems brighter and cleaner to me.From North Notts I get a very feint fuzzy but what a buss to find it....Clear SkiesMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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