centroid Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Ok, having just spent £120 on a Hutech IDAS LPS filter, which gives a nice magenta 'cast' to my OSC images , what's a good Ha filter to use with an OSC camera, and does it need to cost as much as the Hutech? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whippy Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Not sure if your H9C's colour chip has the same sensitivity in Ha as my mono but I think your two favourites are the Baader or the Astronomik. I plumped for the Astronomik 13Nm model from Ian King as the Baader ones weren't in the country at the time and didn't look like they would be for a while. One thing you might want to be aware of is the Astronomik version might give 'halos' around the brighter stars (have a look at some of my Ha images, they've all got the in varying degrees) whilst the Baader one doesn't as best to my knowledge. Tony.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinB Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I have used a 13nm Ha astronomik with my QHY8. The chip has similar properties to yours and is very sensitive in Ha but only 1/3 of the pixels. I was still pleased with the resolution though. Tony is right about the halos they can be an issue and are dependent on the spacing between filter and chip. I never had problems with my H9 and filter wheel but I do get some small ones with my QHY8 and filter drawer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I would opt for the astronomik! As to the Halo's they apparently have a new version out that eliminates the halo's, I have one coming in the next couple of days, will keep you posted....Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centroid Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Thanks guys, that's useful feedback.I guess it would be nice to hear from someone who has used the Baader also.I know Steve (steppenwolf) uses one with H9C and 25C, so perhaps he'll happen upon this 'thread'.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centroid Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Thanks Eddie, that will be useful info indeed.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLO Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 One thing you might want to be aware of is the Astronomik version might give 'halos' around the brighter stars (have a look at some of my Ha images, they've all got the in varying degrees) whilst the Baader one doesn't as best to my knowledge. Tony is right about the halos they can be an issue and are dependent on the spacing between filter and chip. I would be happy to loan one of the new Baader Narrowband filters to someone in return for an SGL comparison test Please PM me if interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxo Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Dave,I have had one of the new Astronomik Ha filters on test shipped directly from the manufacturers (thanks to Bern at Modern Astronomy). Initial tests (slow due to weather) shows that there is significantly less halos than the originals. I've tested spectral response and there is no IR leak which a lot of people were saying, the halos are caused only by internal reflections. I have a Baader to do a direct comparison but haven't had a chance to test yet.Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLO Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I'll be very interested to hear how the new Astronomik compares. At least we can now acknowledge the original is prone to halos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinB Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 At least we can now acknowledge the original is prone to halos... I think the only people doubting it were those with vested interests! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxo Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 The plan is next decent window in the weather to run a direct comparison test on the same subject under the same conditions, this will include new and old Astronomik (both 13nm) and the 6nm Baader filter. I'll keep you all posted.Steve.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLO Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Steve, I think the Baader 6nm is the older version, would you like to compare the new anti-reflective 7nm version? (We have 1.25" available but the 2" are still on backorder) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centroid Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Hey, what a fantastic response to this 'thread', just what SGL is all about. Steve (FLO), you are a 'top man' for offering to loan one of the new Baader filters for comparison purposes. I think that Steve (paxo) would be the ideal man for the job. Steve (paxo), thanks for your input, and I'm sure there will be quite a few of us, eagerly awaiting your report.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centroid Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Any progress on this one ?Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLO Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I think Steve is waiting for a clear sky Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centroid Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Aren't we all Steve Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Same here :? Sunday looks promising! will post my results asap! eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narrowbandpaul Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 my imaging friend bought the baader 7nm? Ha filter from Ian king at Kielder.If I remember correctly, it was used to capture our latest image of IC410 in Ha with a tak e160f3.3Dont recall any halo's...performance was good, although just the one use if hardly scientific.Filter seemed every bit as good as the astrodon 6nm.Richard crisp, one of the proprietor's of narrowband imaging, also rates the baader well.Thats usually good enough for me.Look forward to your report, Steve...Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narrowbandpaul Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 It would be nice to test the filters we use using a calibrated silicon photodiode...we have one at uni...do you have one at work steve....is this how you will test?always good to check the manufacturers claims about a product, if you can.....keep them honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxo Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 All the lab tests are done, just waiting for some clear skies to do some representative images to confirm the lab data. Although this work is independant, I will need to discuss with Bern and Astronomik before posting though.Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centroid Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Sounds good Steve. I await your report with great interest.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenwolf Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Ok, having just spent £120 on a Hutech IDAS LPS filter, which gives a nice magenta 'cast' to my OSC images I am really surprised at this and wonder if it is yet another symptom of your faulty OSC H9C? I exclusively use this filter in all my images on both my H9C and M25C which are of course OSC types as indeed does Greg Parker who originally recommended this filter to me! No magenta cast is thrown on either of my two OSCs and generally this filter is the LP filter of choice for many OSC users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 The main problem when comparing the use of filters is the amount of light pollution each user is subjected to, what is a good filter for one might not be the 'best' choice for another. I have recently bought the IDAS filter but, due to the weather, haven't had a chance to use it yet!Steve.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centroid Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 It could have been related to the fault with the H9C Steve, and time will tell Steve (paxo), I'm very forunate to have location where light pollution is pretty low, with the exception of towards the North, and I rarely point the scope in that direction.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcol Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Halos? -what halos? (Astronomik 13nm, original type/ SXV-H9)Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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