Bresser Messier 10” Dob

[johninderby]

Just took delivery of a new Bresser Meesier 10” dob. Bresser have just dropped the price to £535.00 from £599.00. At the new price it was just a no-brainer to choose it over the Skywatcher 250px. For just 56 quid more you are getting a lot better specced scope. Skywatcher needs to drop the price of the 250px  to about £399.00 or upgrade it a lot.

First impressions are the excellent fit and finish of everything. The focuser is a really  nice quality 2.5” R&P  that feels really smooth even without the 1:10 option. Had one on another scope and was impressed with it’s load capacity. And of course it has tube rings and proper sized alt bearings. Easy to adjust the OTA for balance and rotate the tube to put the eyepiece at just the right angle. Could allways unscrew the alt bearings and attach a dovetail if I wanted to fit the OTA to a regular mount.

Now to fit the 1:10 knob to the focuser and fit a Skywatcher finder shoe and a 9x50 RA finder. More photos and details to follow.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2019 by johninderby

[mark81]

Fantastic.  Yeah, it does seem to be better than the SW version and like you said, for 56 extra, your gaining quite a lot.

I look forward to reading your future reports...

Enjoy

[JeremyS]

Looks excellent John. keen to hear how you get on. Those semi-circular altitude bearings look just the job and will be interested to hear your practical view.

[johninderby]

Focuser

Have fitted the 1/10 knob. Took all of a minute. Focuser is silky smooth. Very impressed. Comes with one extension piece for the focuser drawtube but you can buy others if need be. 

The inside of the tube is quite black as is but have some flocking coming from FLO.

[LongJohn54]

That looks great.   Where did you buy it?   FLO does the 8inch version but they haven't got the 10inch on their site.

[johninderby]

From Harrisons. The 10” isn’t stocked in the UK but shipped from Germany. Ordered on the 27th and arrived yesterday. Not bad for Harrison’s standard £2.95 delivery charge. 👍🏻

[johninderby]

9x50 RA finder fitted. The standard finder is a straight though one. Had to drill one new mounting holes to fit the Skywatcher finder shoe. I just stuff a big towel in the tube and then hold a painting tack cloth below wheree I will be drillingnthe hole to catch the bits. 

The secondary has proper colimation knobs not just screws so if I needed to adjust the secondary will make it easy.

Edited August 30, 2019 by johninderby

[johninderby]

Bit of work to the base.

Replaced the little eyepiece tray on the lower front with a carry handle. Never use those little eyepice trays on a dob anyway. 

Wanted to raise the base up a bit so fitted some steel furnature legs.. only had 10:suitable bolts so will have to get a couple more. Will keep the base well away from damp grass. 👍🏻

the base has three teflon pads and an embosed metal ring for them to run on. Sort of a metal version of ebonystar. Seems to work very smoothly.

Edited August 30, 2019 by johninderby

[JeremyS]

10 minutes ago, johninderby said:

Replaced the little eyepiece tray on the lower front with a carry handle.

Knowing you, John, I thought a handle couldn't be too far behind 🙂

 

[Trikeflyer]

Looks like a quality scope.

You peeked my interest and so I looked for the scope.  Not sure if it’s the same but astroshop eu have it at an even more amazing price?

https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/bresser-dobson-telescope-n-254-1270-messier-hexafoc-dob/p,52181?utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=52181&utm_campaign=1908&utm_source=froogle&gclid=CjwKCAjwkqPrBRA3EiwAKdtwk0iYHUXK7pFXopMNsVRl8yWW6ySZ_fn2iY-pSKBLmEDccpxklMyJLBoCVDwQAvD_BwE&utm_content=

Looking forward to your first light report.

steve 

[johninderby]

16 minutes ago, Trikeflyer said:

Looks like a quality scope.

You peeked my interest and so I looked for the scope.  Not sure if it’s the same but astroshop eu have it at an even more amazing price?

https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/bresser-dobson-telescope-n-254-1270-messier-hexafoc-dob/p,52181?utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=52181&utm_campaign=1908&utm_source=froogle&gclid=CjwKCAjwkqPrBRA3EiwAKdtwk0iYHUXK7pFXopMNsVRl8yWW6ySZ_fn2iY-pSKBLmEDccpxklMyJLBoCVDwQAvD_BwE&utm_content=

Looking forward to your first light report.

steve 

Not a great price. The sneaky ******** have lowered the price of the scope but are charging a crazy price for shipping so the total with shipping is the same as Harrisons.

Edited August 30, 2019 by johninderby

[Trikeflyer]

Sneaky. I thought there’d be a catch - it shouldn’t be allowed but I guess they haven’t really done anything wrong - just devious. I’m sure the scope will give you many hours of enjoyment and I’m looking forward to hearing about them.

Steve 

[Ricochet]

Nice one John. The focuser baseplate has 4 little hex screws around the perimeter (2x 1.5mm and 2x 2mm I think). If you loosen those off you can rotate the focuser 45° so that it is in a better position no matter the altitude you're using it at. Also, I always use those big round holes in the base as handles. 

[niallk]

Congrats!  It's a beaut

I got a 250px as my 1st scope, and it has been great.

However I totally agree with you - the Bresser Messier looks a much better option.  The mount / bearings are a big advantage it would seem to me, and a dual speed focusser makes a big difference.

 

[johninderby]

Guiding handle

Fitted a handle at the top of the tube for guiding the scope. Matches the carry handle fitted to the base. The mirror cell is a 9 point one and proper collimation knobs.The inside of the tube has a rubberized coating. Not as good as flocking but miles better than Skywatcher’s efforts. Note to Skywatcher.....see this is how it’s done.

Just waiting for the collimation bits to arrive this aft and hopefully will be ready for tonights clear skies. 🤣

Few other pics of it sitting In the back garden. 

 

Stock pic of the mirror cell from Bresser

Edited September 17, 2019 by johninderby

[johninderby]

28 minutes ago, niallk said:

Congrats!  It's a beaut

I got a 250px as my 1st scope, and it has been great.

However I totally agree with you - the Bresser Messier looks a much better option.  The mount / bearings are a big advantage it would seem to me, and a dual speed focusser makes a big difference.

 

Had a 250px in the past and was very happy with it and allways recommened it as a great buy. However the competition doesn’t stand still. Hopefully Skywatcher will respond and update and upgrade the 250px.

[niallk]

Nice collimation knobs included for the secondary!

The hex bolts on the SW are fiddly! Thankfully I rarely had to adjust the secondary. 

[A McEwan]

Superb looking scope. Looks like it has a lot of the necessary mods done already. I love the fact that it comes with TWO finderscope mounting points - so you can effectively set it up for use with left or right eye. Something that is missing from most other Newts. 

What do we know about mirror specs on these scopes?

 

[JeremyS]

I’m sure not stopping at only two handles are you John?

[johninderby]

I would expect the mirror to be very similar optic quality to the Skywatcher 250PX. Uses H-PZ33 low expansion glass which is the same as Pyrex. Also has a 9 point mirror cell which should help. 

Edited August 31, 2019 by johninderby

[johninderby]

Try this with your Skywatcher dob. 🙂

[johninderby]

Short feet. 🙂

The feet I otiginaly fitted to the base proved to be too short for standing observing and a bit tall for seated observing. So have replaced them with some short 100mm high feet that had the same size mounting plate so just bolted on using the holes drilled for the longer legs.

Still long enough to keep the base out of the grass. Only mowed the grass on Saturday and needs cutting allready. 

Edited September 3, 2019 by johninderby

[Nutsnbolts]

Hi John, what a fabulous post, thank you for posting! I'm the owner (or will be I due course of the same telescope. I think I will definitely go with your legs on the base to hold it away from the damp grass, (plenty of that in the New Forest/Salisbury Plain area).

My concern for the future is finding a suitable kit to have my telescope GOTO enabled. Is this something you've thought about? Is there anyone who has done this with the 10" Bresser?

thanks again

Signing off, Nutsnbolts

[JOC]

Nice scope, my only thought about the legs is what stops them sinking into the grass if things get a bit soft outside?  This year, I agree, most lawns are like concrete, but that isn't always the cse.

[johninderby]

I intend to keep it a manual dob so no plans for goto. If I wanted tracking I’d go with an EQ platform like this.

https://www.teleskop-express.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p10148_TS-Optics-EQ-Dobsonian-Telescop2-Drive----Platform-for-50--N-S.html

The feet. 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07HR97XXX/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Waiting for the correct thickness of the acetate sheet to arrive so I can fit the flocking.

Edited September 9, 2019 by johninderby