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9 minutes ago, andrew s said:

Equally playful @ollypenrice.

Causality is the basis fo all order. There could be no nature for us to fail to grasp. 

It would all be engulfed in an bicycle of paradox and contradictions.

A race to simultaneous order and disorder 

The entropy and the agony of being (or possibly not)

Regards Andrew 

Supposing everything just already exists and causality is the name we give to taking a particular trajectory through it?

Olly

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35 minutes ago, ollypenrice said:

Supposing everything just already exists and causality is the name we give to taking a particular trajectory through it?

Olly

That's the Block Universe a perfectly respectable theory. Everything is determined and exists. We just appear to move through it in time.

Regards Andrew 

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10 hours ago, ollypenrice said:

 

But maybe, just maybe, there is no such thing as causality...

?lly

Why did you post this ?

You would not have posted this if I had not done my previous post !

....That is causality ....

 

 

When you reply to my next post before I post it then I will believe causality doesn't exist.....

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Nothing exists until you observe it :wink2:

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4 minutes ago, Kev M said:

Why did you post this ?

You would not have posted this if I had not done my previous post !

....That is causality ....

 

 

When you reply to my next post before I post it then I will believe causality doesn't exist.....

That might be what appears to be causality...

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8 minutes ago, Mr Spock said:

Nothing exists until you observe it :wink2:

Existence and Observation are in two different time frames so you cannot say that something exists.

You can say something used to exist ( maybe a billionth of a nanosecond ago but never actually now ).

 

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See the Two Ronnies Mastermind sketch for disrupted causality. 

Regards Andrew 

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Our futures could have changed many times already by someone changing past events and we would be none the wiser ? causality is nonsense ? and so is time travel. We live and we die and that is it I am afraid.

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Just now, Pig said:

We live and we die and that is it.

But presumably because

1 minute ago, Pig said:

causality is nonsense

not necessarily in that order? :D

James

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LoL @JamesF. Time travel is a nice thought and works wonders with our imagination, but that is all ......... ?

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On 01/05/2019 at 21:32, Kev M said:

You cant go back in time as it could break causality .

In the example above if the Borg had succeeded to stop " first contact".

Then "first contact" would not have happened.

Then they would not have needed to go back to stop "first contact".

Then "first contact" would have happened....

Time travel backwards becomes nonsense...what if you killed your younger self ?

Not going to happen.....

Aha but maybe in the ST universe they did need to go back. What if, without the input from Riker and Geordi, Cochrane failed to make his maiden flight? Thus, the Federation never formed? Thus, no war with the Borg? In that scenario, they wouldn't need to go back! And earth and the rest of the quadrant would eventually, be, assimilated!

 

So in fact the Borg unwittingly played a vital part in Earths history. A closed loop paradox?!

 

I love Star Trek??

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14 minutes ago, david_taurus83 said:

Aha but maybe in the ST universe they did need to go back. What if, without the input from Riker and Geordi, Cochrane failed to make his maiden flight? Thus, the Federation never formed? Thus, no war with the Borg? In that scenario, they wouldn't need to go back! And earth and the rest of the quadrant would eventually, be, assimilated!

 

So in fact the Borg unwittingly played a vital part in Earths history. A closed loop paradox?!

 

I love Star Trek??

I think you mean a "bootstrap paradox" or more accurately a "causal loop".

Or as I like to call it a "fairy tale"..?

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Anyone remember "The flip side of Dominic Hide" where the eponymous hero goes back and fathers his ancestor? He sets the mother up for life by getting the football scores for the week ahead. 

Now that's a genetic time slip in the terminology of the series.

Regards Andrew 

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Just now, andrew s said:

Anyone remember "The flip side of Dominic Hide" where the eponymous hero goes back and fathers his ancestor? He sets the mother up for life by getting the football scores for the week ahead.

I do :)

In fact I believe I have an electronic copy of both it and the sequel stashed away somewhere.

James

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3 minutes ago, andrew s said:

Anyone remember "The flip side of Dominic Hide" where the eponymous hero goes back and fathers his ancestor? He sets the mother up for life by getting the football scores for the week ahead. 

Yes, I remember

Steve

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Seems the future isn't what it used to be :unsure:

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48 minutes ago, Mr Spock said:

Seems the future isn't what it used to be :unsure:

Never was!

Regards Andrew 

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On 06/05/2019 at 20:12, andrew s said:

Anyone remember "The flip side of Dominic Hide" where the eponymous hero goes back and fathers his ancestor? He sets the mother up for life by getting the football scores for the week ahead. 

Found it on You Tube and watched it again & the sequel ? 

Cheers

Steve

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