Allinthehead Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Hi all. This is one that needs little introduction. This is my first attempt at it and i'm glad i went for it as there's so much going on here and with the moon around it's a nice bright target. Imaging telescope: Takahashi Epsilon 130d Imaging camera: ZWO ASI1600MM-Cool Mount:SkyWatcher AZ EQ6 Software:Sequence Generator Pro Seqence Generator Pro Filter:Astrodon 5nm Ha Resolution: 4611x3489 Dates: April 24, 2018, April 25, 2018 Frames: Astrodon 5nm Ha: 50x300" (gain: 129.00) -20C Astrodon 5nm Ha: 35x300" (gain 0) -20C Integration: 7.1 hours Darks: ~50 Flats: ~50 Bias: ~50 Avg. Moon age: 9.61 days Avg. Moon phase: 72.71% Bortle Dark-Sky Scale: 4.00 Astrometry.net job: 2034372 RA center: 324.566 degrees DEC center: 57.504 degrees Pixel scale: 1.826 arcsec/pixel Orientation: 359.825 degrees Field radius: 1.466 degrees Locations: Back Garden, Cork, Ireland Jpg Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarsG76 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Thats a fantastic result.. I see that the ZWO 1600 is delkivering a good astro cam.. I'm considering getting this cameras and am wondering whether the expanse will improve my images substantially when comparing to what I'm getting now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adyj1 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Very nice. My phone nearly melted downloading the full picture, but I had to see it ☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allinthehead Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 3 hours ago, MarsG76 said: Thats a fantastic result.. I see that the ZWO 1600 is delkivering a good astro cam.. I'm considering getting this cameras and am wondering whether the expanse will improve my images substantially when comparing to what I'm getting now. Thanks Mars. For the money it's a great camera. If i was in the market i'd probably hold off and see what's coming down the line as it has issues around bright stars. 3 hours ago, adyj1 said: Very nice. My phone nearly melted downloading the full picture, but I had to see it ☺ Thanks. Hope it was worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarsG76 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, Allinthehead said: Thanks Mars. For the money it's a great camera. If i was in the market i'd probably hold off and see what's coming down the line as it has issues around bright stars. Thanks for the info/heads up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfpendock Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I have seen many really good images of this in narrowband using various palettes, but always I prefer just the Ha. Excellent result! Especially considering the moon. I think you have justified the Astrodon filter.... Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allinthehead Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 47 minutes ago, cfpendock said: I have seen many really good images of this in narrowband using various palettes, but always I prefer just the Ha. Excellent result! Especially considering the moon. I think you have justified the Astrodon filter.... Chris Thanks Chris. Now i have to talk myself out of the 3nm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adyj1 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Allinthehead said: Thanks. Hope it was worth it. Absolutely ☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbie alert Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Superb image.. fantastic equipment... And I really should visit cork someday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allinthehead Posted April 29, 2018 Author Share Posted April 29, 2018 4 hours ago, newbie alert said: Superb image.. fantastic equipment... And I really should visit cork someday Thanks. If you do West Cork and Kerry is stunning. There's a dark sky reserve in Kerry too. Cloud is an issue there however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodd Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Nice FOV--and the small pixels retain the resolution. Nice. Rodd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allinthehead Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 18 hours ago, Rodd said: Nice FOV--and the small pixels retain the resolution. Nice. Rodd Thanks Rodd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodd Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I think this target should be called the Dementor Nebula. The Dementor is the black beasty swooping down from the top of the frame. Rodd BTW--copuld you post the 2 different gain stacks--I have no real idea how gain effects the data. I see you used 2 gains. Any difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allinthehead Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Rodd said: I think this target should be called the Dementor Nebula. The Dementor is the black beasty swooping down from the top of the frame. Rodd BTW--copuld you post the 2 different gain stacks--I have no real idea how gain effects the data. I see you used 2 gains. Any difference? Hi Rodd. I wanted to see the difference in individual frames and stacks between 0 and unity. I must walk the dog but when i return i'll post them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swag72 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Lovely - Looks super in mono...... great detail and brilliant processing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allinthehead Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, swag72 said: Lovely - Looks super in mono...... great detail and brilliant processing Thanks Sara appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allinthehead Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 Hope this helps @Rodd. I'm glad you asked me to do it as i've never bothered with a direct comparison. Gain 139 33 subs at 300 seconds Fully Calibrated auto stretched Gain 0 33 subs 300s Calibrated Combined auto stretch Gain 139 300s single sub Calibrated Gain 0 300s Calibrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodd Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Allinthehead said: Hope this helps Thanks! But I am not sure!! Wow--there is a huge difference between single subs of different gains, but when 33 subs are stacked--the difference goes away--at least on my screen at normal viewing. Is that what you found as well? If that's true--what would be the advantage of the 0 gain? Both 0 and 139 seem to generate identical stacks using eth same number of subs with the same exposure times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allinthehead Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 If you blink between the two stacks you can see a big difference. I'm leaning towards using unity gain from now on. The advantage of 0 gain is smaller stars and higher dynamic range. The advantage of unity i suppose going by these stacks from my eye is brighter better detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodd Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 8 hours ago, swag72 said: and brilliant processing Considering its an auto stretch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swag72 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Rodd said: Considering its an auto stretch I'm not judging how anyone does their processing or what tools they use - In my opinion the processing here is very effective and I like it very much...... hence my comment.... and since my comment was made before it was said that it was an auto stretch....... Your point exactly is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allinthehead Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Rodd said: Considering its an auto stretch It's not an auto stretch. The cheek. The images i posted for you Rodd are all auto stretches. Which i stacked individually just for you by the way. My image at the top of the thread is processed by me. Click on the image so it becomes a tab of it's own then do the same for the combined auto stretch and you'll see the difference. Maybe i shouldn't bother processing anymore and just auto stretch if people can't see the difference. Could save hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodd Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 5 hours ago, swag72 said: I'm not judging how anyone does their processing or what tools they use - In my opinion the processing here is very effective and I like it very much...... hence my comment.... and since my comment was made before it was said that it was an auto stretch....... Your point exactly is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodd Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Allinthehead said: It's not an auto stretch. The cheek. The images i posted for you Rodd are all auto stretches. Which i stacked individually just for you by the way. My image at the top of the thread is processed by me. Click on the image so it becomes a tab of it's own then do the same for the combined auto stretch and you'll see the difference. Maybe i shouldn't bother processing anymore and just auto stretch if people can't see the difference. Could save hours Sorry Richard....my mistake......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allinthehead Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Rodd said: Sorry Richard....my mistake......... No worries Rodd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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