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New APM 12.5mm 90 degree 23mm eye relief

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Long eye relief (20mm) and widefield (90 degrees+) seems a tricky combination - I’m only aware of the ES 92s (which I really like)

However just seen that APM are launching a new range of 90 degree eyepieces with 23mm of eyerelief. Initially there will be 12.5mm and 18.75mm (v similar to ES infuriating!) 

But hopefully may be a 26mm appearing in due course. The other focal lengths in the ES 92 haven’t appeared yet so hopefully this new range from APM will give a suitable alternative.

http://apm-telescopes-englisch.shopgate.com/item/333632313431

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The Ethos 13 is nearly £600 now and the ES 92 12mm is £370 so it's cost is very interesting quite apart from the spec :smiley:

 

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8 hours ago, 25585 said:

 There is the new Orion LHD LER Lanthanum range with 20mm eye relief and 80 deg FOV. https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=orion+lhd+eye+piece

I have the 20mm 2 inch barrel one.

Have you verified the usable eye relief via flashlight (torch?) projection?  The 30mm eye lens would indicate more like a 74 degree AFOV at 20mm of eye relief or 18mm of eye relief with an 80 degree AFOV.

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If you're looking for 90° eyepieces Gavin, what about buying a set of these!?

I'm itching for someone willing or silly enough to splash out on these Tak eyepieces, then when they don't like them I can buy the set mega cheap! :icon_biggrin:

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I hope these are good. Ethos are so expensive now anything at a reasonable price with decent performance is welcome. We aren't all lotto winners!

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1 hour ago, mikeDnight said:

If you're looking for 90° eyepieces Gavin, what about buying a set of these!?

I'm itching for someone willing or silly enough to splash out on these Tak eyepieces, then when they don't like them I can buy the set mega cheap! :icon_biggrin:

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Well Mike, I'm not that silly (or rich enough)  so it won't be me :laughing4:.

The eye relief doesn't look too clever going by the pics, especially for glass wearers - I'm glad I won't be wanting them :smile:.

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9 hours ago, Louis D said:

Have you verified the usable eye relief via flashlight (torch?) projection?  The 30mm eye lens would indicate more like a 74 degree AFOV at 20mm of eye relief or 18mm of eye relief with an 80 degree AFOV.

Not yet. Want to just use it more first!

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5 hours ago, mikeDnight said:

If you're looking for 90° eyepieces Gavin, what about buying a set of these!?

[image of Taks]

I'm itching for someone willing or silly enough to splash out on these Tak eyepieces, then when they don't like them I can buy the set mega cheap! :icon_biggrin:

 

The Takahashi 90° came in last but one in this review of six 10mm eyepieces:

201306__6_oculaires_10mm.pdf

 

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11 minutes ago, Ruud said:

The Takahashi 90° came in last but one in this review of six 10mm eyepieces:

201306__6_oculaires_10mm.pdf

 

Excellent quality of review there - it would be good to see more of that from other publications :smiley:

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11 minutes ago, John said:

Excellent quality of review there - it would be good to see more of that from other publications :smiley:

Our beloved 10mm XWs rated so low :angry5:

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1 hour ago, Ruud said:

The Takahashi 90° came in last but one in this review of six 10mm eyepieces:

201306__6_oculaires_10mm.pdf

 

Im not surprised that the Tak eyepieces scored so low! I am surprised that XW's scored low also, which throws doubt over the reviews reliability, at least in my mind! 

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35 minutes ago, mikeDnight said:

Im not surprised that the Tak eyepieces scored so low! I am surprised that XW's scored low also, which throws doubt over the reviews reliability, at least in my mind! 

Yeah.Two Tele Vues coming top. Surprise surprise. Not. Partisan influence maybe ;)

Going on my 17.5mm Nikon SW, I think their 10mm would be better performance as well. But also not so high profile/well known.

So to https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/407409-nikon-nav-10sw-vs-pentax-10-xw/   

I like Tamiji Homma's comment https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/407409-nikon-nav-10sw-vs-pentax-10-xw/?p=5742503

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, John said:

Excellent quality of review there - it would be good to see more of that from other publications

Yes. It's good to see a review being factual rather than opinionated.

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5 hours ago, 25585 said:

Yeah.Two Tele Vues coming top. Surprise surprise. Not. Partisan influence maybe

Really?

Here's another one from the same reviewers on 13/14mm eyepieces where TV Nagler came in last but one and Pentax first:

201102_test_oculaires.pdf

TV Ethos was second best.

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3 hours ago, 25585 said:

Our beloved 10mm XWs rated so low :angry5:

 

1 hour ago, mikeDnight said:

Im not surprised that the Tak eyepieces scored so low! I am surprised that XW's scored low also, which throws doubt over the reviews reliability, at least in my mind! 

The test looks impressive with lots of optical measurement, but how much do the scores matter? It was discussed a year ago, I think it raised more questions than it answers:

 

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9 hours ago, mikeDnight said:

If you're looking for 90° eyepieces Gavin, what about buying a set of these!?

I'm itching for someone willing or silly enough to splash out on these Tak eyepieces, then when they don't like them I can buy the set mega cheap! :icon_biggrin:

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Mike, luckily the taks don’t have enough eye relief for me. ? 

I’m very happy with my ES 92 12mm and 17mm so won’t be looking at the apms either. Hopefully apm or ES will issue other focal lengths soon.

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1 hour ago, Ruud said:

Really?

Here's another one from the same reviewers on 13/14mm eyepieces where TV Nagler came last but one and Pentax first:

201102_test_oculaires.pdf

TV Ethos was second best.

I'm not surprised the LVW came top of the mid section, but am that it was beaten by the XW14mm. With respect to the latter scoring 1 point over an Ethos, the criteria for former was the Moon, while latter, the sky.

Both specialise then, XW have much better eye relief, giving it a close victory. So maybe the middle ground is where, of all brands. Competition was fiercest.

Pity no ES eps in either test. 

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22 minutes ago, 25585 said:

Pity no ES eps in either test. 

2011 - no ES around back then.

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19 hours ago, John said:

2011 - no ES around back then.

Well, there were no ES eyepieces in 2008 and possible 2009, but there were by 2010.  ES as a company started in 2008.  It was mainly an astronomy marketing company until JOC first partnered with them in 2010 and later bought the controlling share of it (probably by 2013 when they bought Meade as well).

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19 minutes ago, Louis D said:

Well, there were no ES eyepieces in 2008 and possible 2009, but there were by 2010.  ES as a company started in 2008.  It was mainly an astronomy marketing company until JOC first partnered with them in 2010 and later bought the controlling share of it (probably by 2013 when they bought Meade as well).

Fair point. Maybe they had not made it as far as France though ?

 

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23 minutes ago, John said:

Fair point. Maybe they had not made it as far as France though ?

 

Probably not, since it was started in the US.  Were they even in the UK in 2011 or 2012?

From my own experience, I know I have owned my mushroom top 30mm ES-82 since at least the summer of 2012 when they were closing them out for $220 in favor of the current design that looks more like the 31mm Nagler T5.  Clearly, it was considered old in the US by 2012 if it was on clearance here.

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7 hours ago, Louis D said:

(probably by 2013 when they bought Meade as well).

I presume that deal never got past the shareholders given that a couple of months later it was Ningbo Sunny who bought Meade. 

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