If one more person

[johnfosteruk]

55 minutes ago, SilverAstro said:

None at all, most enjoyable.

heheee, nice one !

Now, for @Alien 13 and  @symesie04 we must return to -> did  the 'ology lead to the 'onomy, well ( in my opinion ! ) it did and it didnt (howzat?!) Tycho and others previous made their observations to better their 'ology prognostications, but then  without which Kepler would have been up a creek with a heck lot more work to do and Copernicus wouldnt have been so easily able to justify the ancient Greeks (nor get into so much trouble with you-know-who). But a great leap forward was serendipitous, not fostered by 'ology, by the dutch lens makers, Galileo chanced upon it and thought 'that's interesting'. And the rest is history in northern western culture.

The Chinese however had 'ology for yonks ( masses of guest stars, comets, eclipses and dragons) all in the service of fortelling for their overlords and never as a result of it, got round to the 'onomy , until recently.

 

For all that though I think even without the 'ology humankind's curiosity would have led us to 'onomy. So I think it is a little bit of hyperbole to say we'd not have the one without the other.

Which is in essence I think what you just said.

[johnfosteruk]

12 minutes ago, RichM63 said:

My daughter's Goat got me when I was on nanny duties. I kid you not........

(the darned thing never stopped growing until it was the size of a small horse, with horns, and talk about bad tempered, charged at anything in sight)

Does that count?

PS round here I am called an Astronome.

Definitely counts, to misquote Morecambe (Eric) "right words, wrong order" so to speak

Coat's on.

[JOC]

'You got an ology? You get an ology and you're a scientist...

So said Maureen Lipman - or does that show my age?

[JOC]

NB.  I was the daughter with the goats - I once had 17 of them - now down to two.  I only have to point the telescope down the yard to see a goat!

[SilverAstro]

7 minutes ago, johnfosteruk said:

For all that though I think even without the 'ology humankind's curiosity would have led us to 'ology. < 'onomy ? Shirly So I think it is a little bit of hyperbole to say we'd not have the one with the other.

Which is in essence I think what you just said. I'll ask him in a min !

[johnfosteruk]

1 minute ago, SilverAstro said:

Ruddy autocomplete. Repeat 100 times, must proofread more.

[ollypenrice]

The phrase that gets my goat is 'pretty pictures.' I'm a tolerably dedicated deep sky imager and am sometimes asked if I do 'real astronomy or just take pretty pictures.' Why does this get my goat? Because the phrase 'pretty pictures' is obviously intended as a put-down.

Did David Malin take pretty pictures? Did E.E. Barnard take pretty pictures? I'm not in their league but I have their aspirations. I want to take pictures that are informative, beautiful and true. I had this once from a spectroscopist and I felt like saying, 'Oh my, what a pretty spectrum you have there.'

Does it make my blood boil? Actually it does.

Olly

[SilverAstro]

6 minutes ago, johnfosteruk said:

Ruddy autocomplete.

lol !

see, I am paying attention

EDIT, I left a pause for,  cue @JOC , to say "being pedantic"

 

[johnfosteruk]

1 minute ago, ollypenrice said:

Does it make my blood boil? Actually it does.

I'll bet it does.

'look at the pretty rainbow'

[cloudsweeper]

Here's another: I've always been interested in that!

Well come and join me at 2am on a freezing morning then!

Doug.

[JOC]

What gets my goat is telling people that I'm a chemist and they automatically assume that I work in a pharmacy.  I am trained in chemistry specialising as an analytical chemist.  "What do you do?", short answer "I am a chemist" "which pharmacy do you work in?"

[JOC]

The thing is most "spectroscopists" these days look at graphs and numbers rather than at coloured spectrums.  Mostly we use instruments dialled to specific individual wavelengths to look for specific individual substances and never see a full colour spectrum.

[JOC]

15 minutes ago, SilverAstro said:

lol !

see, I am paying attention

EDIT, I left a pause for,  cue @JOC , to say "being pedantic"

 

Maybe you were, but the mark of a person is being able to exercise restraint when it's appropriate ;-)

[SilverAstro]

1 minute ago, JOC said:

Maybe you were, but the mark of a person is being able to exercise restraint when it's appropriate ;-)

I thought they were bagpipe capable ?

[cloudsweeper]

9 minutes ago, JOC said:

What gets my goat is telling people that I'm a chemist and they automatically assume that I work in a pharmacy.  I am trained in chemistry specialising as an analytical chemist.  "What do you do?", short answer "I am a chemist" "which pharmacy do you work in?"

I was a plasma physicist (briefly), and got tired of questions about blood!

Doug.

[SilverAstro]

6 minutes ago, JOC said:

The thing is most "spectroscopists" these days look at graphs and numbers rather than at coloured spectrums.  Mostly we use instruments dialled to specific individual wavelengths to look for specific individual substances and never see a full colour spectrum.

Much like professional astronomers then !

[Davey-T]

3 minutes ago, cloudsweeper said:

I was a plasma physicist (briefly), and got tired of questions about blood!

Doug.

I was a plumber and got tired of questions about plums 

Dave

[RichM63]

18 minutes ago, ollypenrice said:

The phrase that gets my goat is 'pretty pictures.' I'm a tolerably dedicated deep sky imager and am sometimes asked if I do 'real astronomy or just take pretty pictures.' Why does this get my goat? Because the phrase 'pretty pictures' is obviously intended as a put-down.

Did David Malin take pretty pictures? Did E.E. Barnard take pretty pictures? I'm not in their league but I have their aspirations. I want to take pictures that are informative, beautiful and true. I had this once from a spectroscopist and I felt like saying, 'Oh my, what a pretty spectrum you have there.'

Does it make my blood boil? Actually it does.

Olly

I would say that you are a 'rather talented creative imager'.

A picture is but 1 shot, your's generally are a combination of many hours of data capture and post capture processing to produce an image that we can all look at and admire. ie you created the result through a mix of methods.

Now then if you get down to the beach, a few 'pretty pictures' wouldn't come a miss.

[SilverAstro]

I once was a telecommunications engineer working at the forefront of science and technology ( design and spec data link Giotto to Comet Halley, amongst other, solar orbiting, spacecraft) and was expected to fix neighbours 'phones.

Shouldnt we be sitting in a circle to confess all this ?

 

[JOC]

SilverAstro, as you probably know I haven't been around SGL for very long, but I am enjoying this thread - I am getting a huge kick out realising that (as I might have expected from astonomers) that I am in respected and esteemed company with scientific skills and knowledge - it's a whole different level of conversation to other places I've logged onto.

[DaveS]

I once had aspirations to be a real chemist but my attempt at a PhD died under a mind-numbing pile of NMR spectra and a dearth of self-belief.

Now I slum it as a senior school lab tech who advises the teachers.

[cloudsweeper]

4 minutes ago, DaveS said:

I once had aspirations to be a real chemist but my attempt at a PhD died under a mind-numbing pile of NMR spectra and a dearth of self-belief.

Now I slum it as a senior school lab tech who advises the teachers.

My plasma thing was also in a PhD, then, coincidentally, I did a little NMR research with monster magnets.  Should have done astrophysics!

Doug.

[cloudsweeper]

15 minutes ago, JOC said:

SilverAstro, as you probably know I haven't been around SGL for very long, but I am enjoying this thread - I am getting a huge kick out realising that (as I might have expected from astonomers) that I am in respected and esteemed company with scientific skills and knowledge - it's a whole different level of conversation to other places I've logged onto.

Not referring to Facebook, by any chance??

Doug.

 

[SilverAstro]

10 minutes ago, JOC said:

SilverAstro, as you probably know I haven't been around SGL for very long, but I am enjoying this thread - I am getting a huge kick out realising that (as I might have expected from astonomers) that I am in respected and esteemed company with scientific skills and knowledge - it's a whole different level of conversation to other places I've logged onto.

well said ,, and aint that the truth !! 

Hands-up, who else had plans to make a "Simple Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer" from Scientific American compendium of the Amateur Scientist  it had valves in its oscillator and no mine didnt work so I didnt go on to do a PhD in it

[SilverAstro]

PS I didnt have a monster enough magnet ! I think it needed an ex-WWII magnetron one