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What with holidays, poor weather and work commitments, it's been a little while since I've had the chance to do some observing. With the nights really starting to close in again the opportunities are starting to present themselves again. Last night was crystal clear and so I decided to get my SW 100p out and have a view of the veil nebula with my OIII filter. I had used the 100p to view sections of the veil with a 20 mm EP in combination with the OIII filter but last night I wanted to try my 32 mm EP to see how much I could fit in to the field of view. Sure enough, after setting up on the Western Veil (NGC 6960) I could see the wisps of the broomstick without too much difficulty. I then slewed across to The Eastern Veil (NGC6992) and its arc was very well defined and comparatively bright. A quick adjustment placed the full complex, East to West, in the field of view and even Pickering's Triangular Wisp was clearly visible. It was fairly mesmerising to see the span of the full nebula and, although it lacked the detail that I can extract with my 200p, the view with my 100p is very rewarding and the simplicity of the small dobs base making the scope almost effortless, and fast, to set up and use.

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Excellent report ! :icon_biggrin:

The Veil complex with a small widefield scope, a wide field eyepiece and an O-III filter is one of my favourite Summer viewing targets.

With my 102mm F/6,5 refractor I can get both the E & W segments in the field of view at the same time - lovely !

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I expect that my sky is somewhere between 3 and 4 but leaning towards 4. An OIII filter is a must. It works like a magic wand on the veil, which I find is invisible otherwise.

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54 minutes ago, WaveSoarer said:

.... An OIII filter is a must. It works like a magic wand on the veil, which I find is invisible otherwise.

Absoloultely agree with this. Even a UHC filter will make a big difference but the O-III is the "top dog" filter on the Veil. My skies are not that dark but with the O-III the Veil segments jump out even with my 4" refractor. Without the filter they are practically invisible.

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But I tried with the OIII filter also... it's so big, it's even hard to miss. If you guys can see it with 4 inches aperture instrument, I must look at the wrong place or do something wrong at some point.

Ill give it a shot again next time.




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6 minutes ago, N3ptune said:

But I tried with the OIII filter also... it's so big, it's even hard to miss. If you guys can see it with 4 inches aperture instrument, I must look at the wrong place or do something wrong at some point.

Ill give it a shot again next time.




To see the whole thing you need 3.5 degree true field but each of the main segments (the east and west) are around a degree in length.

I always start at the star 52 Cygni because the Western Veil (AKA the Witches Broom) flows right by it. The Eastern Veil is a bit brighter and more extensive and needs to be panned to unless you have a really large true field in use.

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The western part is easier to locate - just point the finder at star 52Cyg and you should see a faint band of milky light pass through it. Spend a bit of time and you'll see a little more detail - a slight tapering and a kink where the star is. The eastern part is significantly brighter and it's not too hard to locate. I just slew in a line perpendicular to the band of the western edge and stumble on it. With the 200p you need to go a surprisingly long way. Play around with the power of the EP as this may help to improve contrast. I find low power to be the best. As Cygnus is at zenith it's a good time to observe the veil.

I find that the 100p gives me the best views of the Rosette nebula as, with the 32 mm/ OIII combination, allows me to view the entire object. It's easy to look straight through it with the 200p.

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I saw a part of the Veil finally! The crescent part close to the 52 star. But could not see anything else. That part was visible with my 32mm EP has well has with my 25mm EP with no filter, but really, really, really faint. I had to locate that spot with the OIII before.

At home, considering my light pollution, I don't think it would be possible to see it in a smaller instrument..

But I saw the Veil, at last (((: thanks for your help

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That's excellent N3ptune. Stick with it as the conditions can make quite a difference. The section away from the 52 star is brighter and so worth looking for. We''l done for seeing it without th filter. I've never been able to do that.

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