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Stu

Scam scope - again!

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Thing is there are plenty of websites and software tools that simply dont allow inclusion of email addresses so i dont know why something of ebays sophistication cant refuse email addresses in the add.

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This is quite scary as often the uninitiated can be caught out. I don't  answer emails from people I do not know and am very wary of all that sounds tooooooo good to be true. Once caught!!!

Derek

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Thanks, everyone - very informative.  Always risky to consider buying expensive gear without seeing it and its source first!

Doug.

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I find ebay excellent for cheap stuff.  I'm very wary about what I do buy though anyway.

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1 hour ago, symesie04 said:

Thing is there are plenty of websites and software tools that simply dont allow inclusion of email addresses so i dont know why something of ebays sophistication cant refuse email addresses in the add.

Email is bypassed by using a picture.  Which is why a lot of websites use email pictures now, its stops the bots from havesting email addresses

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I know someone who has a prepay only card they use online and always transfer the amount of a payment into th account just before buying, means that if anyone steals the details there's noting there to steal, and being prepay they can't run up a debt.

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2 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

I know someone who has a prepay only card they use online and always transfer the amount of a payment into th account just before buying, means that if anyone steals the details there's noting there to steal, and being prepay they can't run up a debt.

This wouldn't make much of a difference as your bank will cover you for stolen card details unless you've done something incredibly stupid. 

The growing majority of monies gained from online fraud,  which this thread exemplifies is from direct bank (including PayPal friends and family) or wire transfer for which you are not covered. This is due to banking software getting more and more advanced in spotting nefarious activity on accounts and automatically stopping payments. 

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My bank cards regularly get stopped by my bank. I have to get in touch with them to certify the transactions. The last time it happened they missed a couple of payments from my account. I had to get in touch with them. Two different organisations tried to take two separate payments amounting to about £50. Neither of which I had agreed to and did not even know about until I checked my accounts. 

I don't mind the hassle of certifying genuine payments as it may save me real trouble. But I did not understand why the bank did not catch the two fraudulent attempts. 

These scams on EBay are worrying as these people seem to get more brazen as time goes on. Stealing your banking details appears to becoming more prevalent in our society. I try to spot scams but I am no expert. 

A  Chief Constable somewhere in London I believe has now said the banks should not automatically repay a member of the public if they loose money to these scams. He has put it on record that he expects customers to take responsibility for their own actions in so far as buying on line. But very few of us can be cleaver enough to spot these scams all the time. I cannot and I have been using computers and building them for the last 40+ years. There again I am not a programmer and never will be. I try to use common sense but am certainly not infalable, not by a long way.

Derek

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11 hours ago, wuthton said:

This wouldn't make much of a difference as your bank will cover you for stolen card details unless you've done something incredibly stupid. 

The growing majority of monies gained from online fraud,  which this thread exemplifies is from direct bank (including PayPal friends and family) or wire transfer for which you are not covered. This is due to banking software getting more and more advanced in spotting nefarious activity on accounts and automatically stopping payments. 

Of course it'll make a difference... It means that you never had money stolen / taken from your card. It means that you don't have to go through the painful process of trying to get your money back (which is sometimes really easy and sometimes not).

Do not make the assumption that banks will cover you for the loss, mine didn't.

A few years ago I noticed three fuel transaction for the same petrol station three days running. he first was fine, it was actually me filling up. The second and third were not me. It was not a huge amount of money, about £60 in total if memory serves me correctly. After contacting the bank and getting my card stopped, i tried to get the money back. It turns out that because I freely admitted to using the petrol station, and the transactions were used using my PIN, it was down to me to prove that I hadn't used the petrol station the following two times. I had no way of doing that, wouldn't know where to begin.

On the flip side, a month ago i checked through my CC statement (something that I NEVER do), and thought blimey we've spent a little more than I was expecting. But because we've moved into a new house a few weeks before and knowing how these things mount up as you buy stuff you need, I didn't really think much more about it. Later that day something clicked in m my head, there were two transaction for Sainsbury. We don't shop in Sainsbury - someone had used my CC for online grocery shopping twice in one week, over in Solihull. One quick phone call, a few questions, money refunded and card replaced.

 

Anything that you can do to prevent these things happening is worth while, but remember that it isn't just online where people steal your stuff, happens in the real world too...

 

Ant

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23 hours ago, Alien 13 said:

E-Bay is brilliant for the £10 gizmo that connects X to Y from China that would cost many times that over here but I wouldn't use it for anything else.

Alan

Definitely agree with that.   A decade ago eBay was fun for picking up vintage sewing machines, china, and other silly bits and pieces.  Now, like Alan, I won't use it for anything other than the 'cheap gizmo'.  Husband keeps telling me there are loads of 'scopes on eBay and some of them may well be genuine private sales.  Sorry, but I'm not laying out hundreds to a total stranger with no warranty, no try before you buy, bla bla bla.

Last week there was an ad for a 2013 Vanmaster caravan which I estimate is worth about £25-30K, (Derek will correct me if I am miles out on that!)  The starting bid price (Postal order/Banker's draft Personal cheque, no PayPal) was £15K.  Private seller.  "If it looks too good to be true. . . etc"

Jayne

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A wary buyer can get a few bargains on the Bay, but as all say it pays to be careful. Saw that Tak 130 the other day and couldn't understand why it kept going to the sign in page when I tried to check the description, when I was already signed in. I checked all their other items, there were lots of bargains all one a 1 day auction so you thought you were going to get a bargain which nobody else saw! Reported it and the seller was removed later that day. Glad I didn't sign in.

small Chinese fittings and couplings are a bargain, as are 10 packs of watch batteries for illuminated eye pieces, polar scopes etc. 

If buying anything big check all their other items and if there are lots of expensive equipment going cheap stay away. If it's a one off, send them an email and ask to go see it if you are near.

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A note from across the pond: Avast Anti-Virus just charged me for their delightful product! Ha! It happens to A. Be free. B. I never used it!

I called my issuing bank and got ahold of their Fraud Division. It's off my bill, and they're in trouble. Now I'm getting a sales-pitch emails from them trying to get me to buy from them!

That'll be the day!

Dave

P.S. "I swear they're out there!"

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I like the way they put (39) at the end of their user name to try to make it look like they have positive feedback

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Have a look at the bids on that - loads but all from the same person and same amount.

Peter

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Its been removed. Thing is i find it quite odd they choose to use scopes for their scams although im sure they try their luck with everything. But with scopes especially the end of the scale their trying to scam at is quite a specialised market and therefore the buyers are quite clued up on the kit and presumably able to smell at rat early doors. You would think their scams would be cheap scopes designed to catch those newbies or more general stuff.

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On 3/28/2016 at 21:15, Stu said:

I'm wondering if that's a new tactic, falsely bidding to increase the price to make it seem more credible.

Must be infuriating if your account is hacked, you would think eBay could improve their security.

The latest Takahashi 130 scam had a particularly nasty description page which phishes for your login details which I guess is how they hack accounts. Beware!

Ebay are a bunch of losers and i have told them that over the phone! they have stipped my daughter from selling and because we have same ip address at same house they have linked my account to hers, her problem was caused by Hermes not delivering correctly, my account is now limited (big deal) i had to phone ebay to explain to them but they are not interested, i pointed out how accounts get hacked by vicious scammers but they just dont care 

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