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On the assumption that other people will want to buy themselves some springs too, in order to split the postage I've just ordered a dozen of those SC229 springs from www.strutdirect.co.uk (£0.69 each plus £6.95 postage plus 20% VAT). That's enough for 3 for me, and three spare sets of 3 which I'll resell here at cost, assuming the forum rules allow that. This way it should be under £6 for three springs...

I've also picked up some 35mm long M5 thread bolts from Homebase (UK DIY chain), matching M5 wing nuts and washers. I am under the impression these M5 threads are 5mm threads. Hopefully 35mm will be long enough - more details from those who've done this modification would be appreciated.

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Just finished mine so I will take the blame for clouds for a week. Was surprised how much I had to push the primary up the tube, the sc229 springs were not long enough so a quick (not) trip to bleed n queue later I have a bag of M5 x 70 machine screws with nuts.

My Primary holder had Machine screws so I just replaced them with the 70mm ones, then a washer, then 2 of the nuts, then the sc229 then another washer then the back plate.

The primary has moved up the tube by about 25mm and I can now get focus with my 1100 :D

As others have reported, i have to rack all the way out for eyepieces.

Happy so far, cant wait to test it properly

here come the clouds :(

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Thanks for that cthorpey, 70mm then? It sounds like I'll need longer bolts. Back to HomeBase or B&Q for me... but first I must deal with getting my SC229 springs from City Link without being home to sign anything - sigh. Over priced yet less convenient postage. :(

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Getting longer than needed bolts which can be cut down is certainly more flexible. Any tips on attaching them? Did the threads matching nicely or did you need to use some heavy duty glue as well? (The glue idea bothers me as it would be hard to undo)

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Once I had removed the primary from the holder and the quality piece of black cardboard I was pleasantly surprised to find 3 x Phillips machine screw heads looking at me. They were quite tight but came out easily enough. I just removed them and put 3 of the 70mm in their place. Was thinking about perhaps using a drop of glue on them but perhaps when i take it all apart again to trim the bolts down i will opt for some threadlock instead.

as it is they went in fine and there is no glue.

still cloudy :(

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I've taken mine apart, and the original screws look to be 2cm long, so as I want to cut about 2cm from the focal distance, and allowing thread for the wing nuts etc, I would guestimate that 5cm bolts should be long enough. I'm off to the shops now but will probably follow cthorpey's lead and go for 7cm to ensure I have some spare distance to play with.

My 35mm M5 thread bolts do fit fine, so the thread is OK, I just don't think they'll be long enough.

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Got these tough springs this morning ... Will do the mod on Sunday as the 130P is going in use, pointing at the eclipse tomorrow :lol:

I've got an SK1309EQ2, i.e. the SkyWatcher Explorer 130M not 130P, and now that I've taken it apart I've compared it to geppetto's picture of the 130P, I think mine is somewhat different in construction. Hmm.

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I've got an SK1309EQ2, i.e. the SkyWatcher Explorer 130M not 130P, and now that I've taken it apart I've compared it to geppetto's picture of the 130P, I think mine is somewhat different in construction. Hmm.

Yep, I'm pretty much convinced that the 130M has a different primary mirror mount to the 130P, but I have a plan for moving it forward. I'll start a new thread about that if it works out OK.

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On the assumption that other people will want to buy themselves some springs too, in order to split the postage I've just ordered a dozen of those SC229 springs from www.strutdirect.co.uk (£0.69 each plus £6.95 postage plus 20% VAT). That's enough for 3 for me, and three spare sets of 3 which I'll resell here at cost, assuming the forum rules allow that. This way it should be under £6 for three springs...

pjac,

Did you get any spare springs? I agree with you thinking that £6+ postage is a bit excessive.

PM me if you have some spares.

Rob

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Great Mod.

Could you put in a link as an example for which screws, washers and springs you bought?

Are they available on B&Q / homebase?

Yes, I got a pack of about five of the 70mm long M5 thread bolts with nuts for a few £ from my local Homebase (and then took them back once I realised they weren't suitable for http://stargazerslou...mary-mirror-up/]moving the mirror on the SkyWatcher 130M).

As noted about, 70mm (7cm) is more than long enough for moving the 130P mirror so you might get away with less if that all that's in stock.

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Does the mirror have to be moved like in the 130m?

The SkyWatcher 130M and 130P primary mirror mountings are different, so the modifications are also different.

There were some hand made diagrams of the 130P modification earlier in this thread which gave a very good idea what to expect - I think perhaps the links died (hosting expired or something). For now at least it is in the Google Image search cache (moving mirror skywatcher 130p), this might work:

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Dang. The data URL seemed to show the figure nicely in the forum post preview - but you can copy & paste that whole thing into your browser URL bar to see the image (the image data itself is encoded in the gibberish).

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