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GoTo = Cheating?

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Astronomy is universal, it encompasses all tastes and skills. I was once a manual bigot but have since grown up and accepted the 21st (and 20th) century.

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If GOTO is cheating, what is using a remote telescope in another country classed as, heresy?

How about using the Hubble? Takes heresy to new heights :)

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Thank you for your intelligent and well considered contribution to the discussion.

I shall stop enjoying my hobby until I am doing it correctly. Please let me know when my observing techniques meet your exacting standards.

Or am I just feeding the troll?

Chris

You are feeding a troll :) Don't think this guy is serious at all.

It's sad you have such individuals even within this (relatively) 'quiet' and humble community.

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You are feeding a troll :) Don't think this guy is serious at all.

It's sad you have such individuals even within this (relatively) 'quiet' and humble community.

Maybe he just forgot to add a ";)"

Makes all the difference

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Then s/he is in great danger:

We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile...
etc. etc. :) Edited by Macavity

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If GOTO is cheating then I forgot to read my copy of the rulebook.

I thought long and hard when I was choosing my scope, should I get GOTO or not, in the end I decided against it. I have a habit of starting new hobbies, keeping it up for a few months, getting bored and giving it up. I thought if I had to search for myself it would keep up the interest for longer. As it turns out I needn't have worried, I'm well and truly hooked and some time in the future a guided scope does appeal.

However, if you do have minimal light pollution, and plenty of time on your hands, finding stuff for yourself can be very rewarding. It took me about 3 or 4 observing sessions to locate M1 in my mak, and when I finally did, it was a great feeling (and made up for what was quite a small, faint, disappointing smudge)

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GO TO would have been quite handy last night.

The sky background was so bright that I struggled to find M5 with an 8" Dob. I had an RDF and knew where I was supposed to pointing the thing, but the 6x25 plastic-lens finder on this borrowed scope is next to useless. With a low power EP and 5min spent slowly spiraling the scope about I found it, but it was harder than usual to find a new (for me) object, and M5 is a big bright glob.

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If I had goto I certainly wouldn't have 14" of aperture.

As a visual astronomer I can't see the point of slewing to an object below the resolving power of my scope.

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As a visual astronomer I can't see the point of slewing to an object below the resolving power of my scope.

That's a good point, you never see GOTOs advertised as

"....database of 42,000 objects, but you're only likely to see a fraction of that number !"

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Is goto cheating...

what if you build/write your own Goto system, does that count? :-) (not quite there, but getting quite close now)

Derek

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That's a good point, you never see GOTOs advertised as

"....database of 42,000 objects, but you're only likely to see a fraction of that number !"

I think those little goto Maks are the most amusing. ALtAz and slow focal ratio which make them useless for deep sky photography so how many objects in the database is it worth typing in? :)

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As a visual astronomer I can't see the point of slewing to an object below the resolving power of my scope.

Do they not give magnitudes on their hand controllers?

I thought they gave some info on the object?

The encoders I have seen on some Dobs do.

Regards Steve

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I think those little goto Maks are the most amusing. ALtAz and slow focal ratio which make them useless for deep sky photography so how many objects in the database is it worth typing in? :)

Well I see DSOs as a bonus with my scope, I'm more of a planetary viewer (but I do like piggy backing my dslr for nice wide angle images)

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I think those little goto Maks are the most amusing. ALtAz and slow focal ratio which make them useless for deep sky photography so how many objects in the database is it worth typing in? :)

Those little maks are fine for DSO viewing (on compact DSOs, a 127 mak kicks the backside of my 80mm APO any time), and it does not make sense to make different hand controllers. However, being able to select objects based on the limiting magnitude of the scope would be neat.

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Well I see DSOs as a bonus with my scope, I'm more of a planetary viewer (but I do like piggy backing my dslr for nice wide angle images)

Hope you don't think I'm knocking the scope itself - I've seen jupiter through a Skywatcher 127 and it was a lovely sight.

It's just how they market a scope, targeted as a starter scope, with thousands of objects it can find but can't be seen - another way to disillusion the newcomer to the hobby. :)

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Is goto cheating...

what if you build/write your own Goto system, does that count? :-) (not quite there, but getting quite close now)

Derek

LOL, GOTO in essence is a very simple application (very clever though). Just a few algorithms and a massive list of objects. I'm sure you could write one yourself no probs :)

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Do they not give magnitudes on their hand controllers?

I thought they gave some info on the object?

The encoders I have seen on some Dobs do.

Regards Steve

They do indeed Steve and are a good source for some instant information on the object that you are currently observing.

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They do indeed Steve and are a good source for some instant information on the object that you are currently observing.

Makes sense. I think that is a super feature.:)

Regards Steve

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I think it is a non argument really. If an individual wanted to go back to hypersensitising 35mm film in the fridge and then spending all night guiding blindly hoping to have captured something faint :) then who cares? I see GOTO the same way, it is now new tech, in a few years it will probably be commonplace. If some people want it and some don't then fine. It's an individual choice, saying it is 'good' or 'bad' is silly and entirely subjective. I don't have it yet but I sure want it after years of poking about in the sky trying to find faint stuff. But each to their own, the important thing is to be out there observing :)

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Hope you don't think I'm knocking the scope itself :)

Don't be daft, I hear what you're saying.

Valid point. Goto can market expectations a bit high.

I think the answer to the title of this post is

GoTo=Helping

Regards

Neil

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I think those little goto Maks are the most amusing. ALtAz and slow focal ratio which make them useless for deep sky photography so how many objects in the database is it worth typing in? :)
Stellarium has a huge database as well - can't see all of them either :)

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Stellarium has a huge database as well - can't see all of them either :)

Yes you can !

Just click on them with the mouse and zoom in.

simples :)

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Yes you can !

Just click on them with the mouse and zoom in.

Brilliant! - AND I'll stay warm :)

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