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centroid

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About centroid

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  1. centroid

    POW - a question

    Daz, I'm really sorry that you see it that way, but it happens, and I know that you are not so naive as to believe that it doesn't. Nobody on this forum, least of all me, underestimates the 'behind the scenes' work that you admin guys (and mods) put in, to keep this now very large forum running as it does. We all know that SGL is the best of the astro forums currently on the web, but nothing in life can be so perfect, as to never need reviewing. Something I'm sure that admin does as a matter of course. Also, lets us not forget that while without the admin team , we the members would have no forum. Conversley, without the members, there is no forum either. The two are inextricably linked, and as such need to work together to make it successful. In this respect, I like to think that I have contributed to this forum, as well as taking from it. "Not sure where the sudden desire to see POTW end came from" There is a valid reason for this concern, not personal, but that's all I will say on the matter. "perhaps it would have been better to voice your thoughts in private, or put them differently" Why Are you saying that I should not have opened a perfectly valid discussion on PoW ? It was not phrased in any way that could be construed as critical of SGL's admin. It was just my thoughts on the subject, aired openly on the forum, for discussion. It was neither contentious, nor 'trolling' by any stretch of the imagination. So, what was so wrong, in that it warranted the the 'official' response' that it received, which has uiltimately lead us to where we are now. Some of the membership responded with their views, the majority in favour of PoW. Albeit, I'm now aware that some members were too nervous to voice an opinion. So, while I stand by my comment re curt responses, as it is an undeniable fact I cannot do otherwise, I will apologise for any personal offence taken. Dave
  2. centroid

    POW - a question

    "I too am just voicing a personal opinion here" Fair comment Jamie, and as is indeed your entitlement. However, whether or not you intended the following to 'come across as it did, there is/was no other way it could be read/interpreted, I'm sorry to say. Old I may be, but a fool I'm not. "Some how i don't think that the POW judges will take too kindly to being asked/told that the would be better off retired as judges just because someone doesn't see the value of SGL's POW any more....." Anyway, its 'water under the bridge now', and best fogotten. I really should have known better than to 'post' any opinion/suggestion relating directly to the forum, no matter how well meant and constructive, as it always provokes a very curt 'official' response. I have met all of the Admin Team personally (and most of the Mods), and you are a nice bunch of guys. However, sometimes, when you 'sit' behind the 'cyber space' of the forum, its akin to the nice guy who gets behind the wheel of a car, and becomes something completley different. With due respect. Dave
  3. centroid

    POW - a question

    Oh dear Come on Jamie, having had the pleasure of meeting you, that doesn't 'fit' at all well. You, and every one else reading this 'thread', knows full well that it not at all what I was suggesting. I will now have to ask (PM) the judges, if that's how they see it, and if so, I will apologise to them. I had hoped for constructive discussion, not provocative. Disappointing Dave
  4. centroid

    POW - a question

    Thanks Steve and Dean, two 'sides of coin', nicely balanced. I did say, that there was a degree of 'learned skill', which to agree with Steve, does indeed hold the interest. However, I'm sure that if I made my obsy and relatively dark skies available to those less fortunately placed, then they too would quickly assimilate the 'learned skills', and produce results that they cannot achieve from their home location, and within their available budget. Clearly, based on Dean's comments, and I'm sure he is not alone, PoW does create an impression of 'eliteism' to some. If this truly is the case, then that is contrary to all that SGL stands for. Dave
  5. centroid

    POW - a question

    I fully agree Steve, but that not to say that the 'lay membership' can't voice an opinion, and open it up for discussion. Provided of course its constructive, and with the best interests of the forum at heart. As I said, our PoW 'judges' would never complain, and perhaps we, as the people the people that are generating their ever increasing workload, should not take their goodwill for granted. Dave
  6. centroid

    POW - a question

    I've been thinking about the value of Picture of the Week competition, in the now very large, and still growing SGL. Here is my 'take' on it (and yes, I have had a couple of POWs). In the early days of imaging, getting good results, with meagre equipment, and basic image processing software, was quite a challenge. Some of the early DSO images produced with modified web cams, and the like, were testament to the operators skills and achievement. Also, imaging was far less common place, than it is today. With the proliferation 'ready made' imaging 'kit', IMO imaging today, is much more a case of "if you can afford the gear", then its all down to the 'seeing', and some processing skills. The latter, being made much easier by the advances in digital image processing software. I, like many of SGL's imagers, have thousands of pounds worth gear (only because I'm retired, have raised my family, and provided for my retirement), and under good 'seeing' we can all produce good images. However, I really don't see this as fair competition, to someone with a limited budget. Does this not create a 'them and us situation', with perhaps PoW winners seen as some sort of 'elite fraternity'. I would hope not, as I consider that when I achieve a good image, its more down to the gear that I have, the prevailing 'seeing', and not any special skill. Being sensible, then of course there is a degree of 'learned skill', that comes with practice (and a lot of failed images ). However, the 'bottom line' is, that I've been fortunate to be able to afford some 'reasonable' 'kit'. When I joined SGL at the beginning of 2007, there were just 700 members, and only a small proportion of these members imaging. Now, with SGL approaching some 4000 members, and a significant numbers of these members imaging, I see PoW as very different 'ball game', to say, two years ago. Given a few clear nights, we now see a deluge of images 'posted'. Each one of these images has to be considered for PoW. Martin and Roger, have recently been joined by Tim, in order to share the 'load', and none of these guys will ever complain, at what must now becoming quite an arduous task. The standard of images 'posted' is now such, that choosing between them, has become an even more difficult task for these guys. When Tim, by way of change, recently chose an image of people at SGL4 as Pow, it gave rise to some negative comments. Hardly thanks, for the 'work done' by these guys. So, given the committment of our PoW judges, their ever increasing PoW 'work load', and the similarity in quality of many images, is it not time to look at what 'added value', if any, PoW now actually provides to the forum?. IMO, PoW has 'run its course', served its purpose, and the forum has now outgrown it. Time perhaps to 'retire it, give give our heartfelt thanks to our stalwart judges, and relieve them of a burden, that IMO, no longer adds any value. Finally, before someone says, "what about the SGL calendar", well, the images will still be there on the forum, it just that they wouldn't have the title 'PoW'. So, guys and gals, what are your views? Dave
  7. centroid

    Whats your next project!

    Mine will be to widen the aperture (slot) in obsy roof, to give me more time before having to rotate the turret during imaging sessions. This will entail making a new (wider) sliding roof hatch to go with the wider slot. No rush, so sometime over the summer will do nicely Dave
  8. centroid

    Hello from France (almost)

    Hi Matthew, and welcome to SGL. Good luck with the B&B venture. Dave
  9. centroid

    Hello from Tom price

    G'day Laurie, and welcome to SGL. I have several relatives living in WA (Perth, Northam, Mandurah and Bridgetown). My daughter and family, live in Baldivis, and we visit there pretty much every year. I have made some good friends with members of the Astronomical Soc of WA, and go along to their meetings (and their Star Party), when I'm over. BTW, we have several Aussie members here on SGL. Enjoy!! Dave
  10. centroid

    Hello from Westbury

    Hi Colin, and welcome to SGL. Dave
  11. centroid

    Hello from lincoln

    Hi Daryl, and welcome SGL. I left the S at N forum in Feb 2007, as it got VERY silly, and started to lose its sense of direction. I note that some of the orginal 'wooden spoon brigade', still reside there. Good news really, as it keeps them away from the more 'grown up' forums, like SGL. Enjoy!! Dave
  12. centroid

    Hi from Taunton

    Hello, and welcome to SGL. Dave
  13. centroid

    Hi from NZ.

    Hi, and welcome to SGL. There's no doubt the Southern Night Sky, has a charm all of its own, and I'm looking forward to my fourth visit 'down under' within three years, nearer to Christmas this year. I spent Christmas in Oz, in 2007, and it does indeed seem strange, having it in the middle of summer , but a nice sort of strange Dave
  14. Me too, so see you there Steve Nice image BTW Dave
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