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  1. Several years ago a colleague asked me to write a short homage to physics that emphasized fundamental curiosity-driven physics. Writing to order, I produced the following hyperbolic passage, which my colleague has used several times in presentations.

    "Why study and research fundamental physics? Why study curved spacetime and general relativity? Cosmology? Elementary particle physics? One possibly selfish reason for me and many other physicists is "Because it's fun!", but other reasons exist. Science, including non-applied fundamental science, is part of who we are as a species. Fundamental science is as much part of our culture as music, art, and literature. If we lose the desire and ability (possibly through politics) to ask fundamental “Why?” questions of our world, we have failed as humans."

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  2. 18 hours ago, andrew s said:

    Pops, bangs, unintended explosions and the odd rogue projectile enlivened the day.

    Or intended (by the student!), as happened several years ago while I was teaching a second-year electricity and magnetism lab that involved capacitors. A student took hold of a capacitor and motioned like he was going stick the cap's leads into an electrical outlet. I said "Don't do that; it will explode!".  After I went to help another group of students, I heard a "Pop!" behind me. The student had taped a capacitor to the end of a plastic ruler with leads sticking out, and then had inserted the leads into the electrical outlet.

     

  3. 15 hours ago, Hans Joakim said:

    I picked up Sean Carrolls introductory book last year (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spacetime-Geometry-Introduction-General-Relativity/dp/1108488390/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1W91PXBQ3JB0P&keywords=sean+carroll+general+relativity&qid=1691008661&sprefix=Carroll+genera%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-1), which I think is great and an easier read than what we had! I’ve also been following these lecture recordings, based on the same book (the whole lecture series is up on YouTube):

     

    I really love this beautiful book, and I bought my copy shortly after it was published, but I don't think that this is quite what @cloudsweeper wants, given that he wrote

    15 hours ago, cloudsweeper said:

    From my engineering degree, I have even been able to figure out some of the maths of special relativity, but general relativity is on a wholly different plane!  Reckon I'll keep that on a descriptive level, starting from the Equivalence Principle.

    Absolutely fascinating, counter-intuitive stuff!

     

    and given that the YouTube lecture course in meant for folks who want a well-motivated but advanced course, i.e., "8.962 is MIT’s graduate course in general relativity, which covers the basic principles of Einstein’s general theory of relativity, differential geometry, experimental tests of general relativity, black holes, and cosmology."

    More appropriate might be a recent book by Sean Carroll, "The Biggest Ideas in the Universe: Space, Time, and Motion".  This book has a lot prose, but does use a few equations. Carroll attempts to explain what equations mean without giving the reader facility to calculate with equations. Carroll explains this in more detail in the book's Introduction, which can be read using Amazon's Look Inside feature.

    Roger Penrose, who has a Ph.D. in pure maths, and who won a Nobel Prize for applying pure maths to black hole physics, recommends the following technique for dealing with lines of equations

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  4. On 28/07/2023 at 13:08, ollypenrice said:

    Can maths not describe anything which is consistent?  If it can, is there really anything more to the ability of maths to describe nature than that nature is consistent?

    I am going to flip this around somewhat. If logic is a branch of mathematics, how is it possible to define "consistent" without mathematics? 😁

  5. On 26/06/2023 at 15:32, saac said:

    I wonder if we are like stem cells, starting off with equal potential for either of the related disciplines. Given that maths is so central I wonder what factors  are determinant in our choices.  I guess it's how we see the world that largely influences our motivations. I do find it hard to understand though why pure maths would be followed rather than applied maths or the physical sciences/engineering. Thinking about it now, that is probably due to the bias in my own motivation,  but when and where does it start.?

    I guess it's different strokes for different strokes for different folks. If when at university I had been forced to major in something other than physics, I would have chosen pure maths, not one of the more obvious choices, e.g., engineering or chemistry. Engineering and chemistry are both great programs, and I expect that many people, if put in my hypothetical situation, would have chosen one of them.

    My love affair with pure maths started when I was exposed to Euclidean geometry in high school, and has yet to end. I took longer than normal to do my physics B.Sc. so that I could take courses in pure math for which there was no room in a standard physics program. I currently am on the thesis-examination committee of an M.Sc. student in pure maths.

  6. On 13/03/2023 at 13:14, Macavity said:

    On a lighter note, maybe they should teach some "Maths for Physics Students"?
    At least where I was concerned, there was a fair gap, between the 1st Deg level
    and the sort of *Matrix Algebra* expected of the more "Theoretical" Physicists.
    Maybe this slightly more user-friendly (less combative?) style could be useful...
    Something as "simple" as e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_notation 😬

    The 4-year physics B.Sc. that I took in Canada 4 decades ago had many, many math courses as required courses. No math courses were required for the Ph.D., although I did take several.

    12 hours ago, iantaylor2uk said:

    I have a great book "Mathematical Methods of Physics" by Jon Matthews & R.L. Walker which is well worth getting if you can find a copy.

    This was on the reading list for one of my undergrad courses. Interesting passage from its Preface "The course from which this text evolved was originally based on lectures By Professor R.P. Feynman at Cornell University."

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  7. How is this different from electrons that strike a detector?

    Here is an interpretation of the HUP that I like. Prepare a large number, say 2N, of systems (e.g., electrons) that are in identical states. Measure the position of the electrons in half (i.e., N) of the systems. and measure the momenta of the electrons in the other N systems. Even though all the electrons are in identical states, the measured positions of the electrons will not all be same, i.e., there will be a statistical spread (standard deviation) of the measured positions. Similarly, there will be a statistical spread  for the measured momenta. The product of these statistical spreads will satisfy the HUP. Note that on any single system only one measurement is made. In this interpretation there is no system on which both position and momentum measurements are made.

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  8. 2 hours ago, VirgoCluster25 said:

    I was also taught it was expanding at the speed of light.

    Where were you taught this? This isn't correct; the universe is, in some sense, expanding faster than the speed of light 😁. The expansion of the universe is governed by general relativity, and general relativity can be munch more non-intuitive than special relativity!

    We are "over here", while distant galaxies are way "over there". Because of spacetime curvature between "over there" and "over here", it is difficult to define the speed of an object "over there" with respect to us "over here" in a way that respects all of our everyday experiences with speed. This leads to a first explanation for the possibility of recessional speeds greater than the speed of light.

    Special relativity prohibits speeds greater than the speed of light. Cosmology, however, is governed by the curved spacetime of general relativity, to which special relativity is a good *local* approximation. Consequently, we will never see anything moving faster than the speed of light in our local neighbourhood, where special relativity is a good approximation. Stuff at the edge of the universe is not in our local neighbourhood, and thus is not governed by the laws of special relativity.

    Alternate (more technical) explanation for recessional speeds greater than the speed of light.

    speed = distance/time, so if different definitions of distance and time are available, we can have have differing definitions of speed. The definitions of distance and time used in cosmology lead to cosmological recessional velocities that correspond not to velocity in special relativity, but to something different called rapidity (sometimes called the "velocity parameter"). In special relativity, there is a relationship between velocity and rapidity, which, for some reason is not used in cosmology. If this relationship were used in cosmology than a recession rapidity of 3.4 corresponds to a recessional speed of 0.998 times the speed of light.

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  9. On 31/03/2023 at 01:36, markse68 said:

    stumbled upon this delightful old demonstration of the Stern Gerlach experiment from 1967 on youtube. It’s quite something to see the real apparatus rather than a graphic and I feel I understand its significance a lot better now. An essential tool for investigating “spooky action at a distance” and Bell’s theorem.

    Nice.

    Interestingly for such a fundamental important result, more than 100 years passed before the original 1922 German publication (1:45 of video) was translated into English.

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.11343

    (Full pdf at upper right.)

    17 hours ago, Ouroboros said:

    What a lovely film and a very nice demonstration. Good  to see an old experimental rig too.  I’m old enough to remember using chart recorders to capture data. 🙂  thanks for the link. 

    I too am old enough. As a student I used chart recorders in physics labs.

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  10. Welcome to SGL.

     

    19 minutes ago, PennyRiver said:

    +  In a given area of the universe, carve out an imaginary sphere.

    +  Calculate the mass of the sphere.

    +  Calculate the mass of everything within the sphere.

     

    Sorry, but I am not sure what you mean by this.

  11. I have had a chance to look at this in more detail. Looks good to me; you have clearly laid out your steps.. I worked the example independently, and I get the same result. I got a symbolic expression for Delta M, and then plugged in all the numbers at the end.

    Not sure if this is of any interest, but 0.4343 is 1/(ln10), and is involved in the conversion from log base 10 to nature logs. The error in a ln is easy to approximate using a derivative.

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  12. What are you given the error in? Apparent magnitude? Absolute magnitude? Distance modulus? Something else?

    What are you trying to calculate the error in? Apparent magnitude? Absolute magnitude? Distance modulus? Something else?

     

    9 hours ago, badhex said:

    When I break it up, I get 0.02817435337 which I'm sure cannot be correct, it's smaller than the original magnitude error.

    In this case, did you forget to take the final square root?

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  13. On 16/02/2023 at 12:13, 900SL said:

    Can somebody explain why that article states that the photons on the early universe had high kinetic energy and momentum? I always thought (A level physics) that photons were massless

    Yes, the rest mass of a photon is zeoro

     

    On 16/02/2023 at 12:13, 900SL said:

    and KE was 1/2mV2.

    This is (approx) true only for non-relativistic physics.

    Another way to @vlaiv's final equation. The world's most well-known equation, E =mc^2, is a special case of a more general equation (my favourite physics equation),

    E^2 - (cp)^2 = (mc^2)^2,

    where E is the total energy of the "particle", m is the rest mass of he particle, and p is the momentum of the particle.

    Suppose that a particle with non-zero rest mass m is at rest, so that its momentum p is zero. The equation then is E^2  = (mc^2)^2, which, after taking square roots on both sides, gives the famous E =mc^2. E =mc^2 is true for particles that have non-zero m, and that are at rest. E =mc^2 is not true for any moving particles.

    Now consider the case of a particle that has zero energy E, and has zero rest mass m, e.g., a photon. Then E^2 - (cp)^2 = (mc^2)^2 becomes E = cp.

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  14. 21 minutes ago, Scooot said:

    Great, I’ll give that a go thanks. What’s v in the formula? 

    Silly me. What I wrote is equivalent to

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    sqrt(  [15*v_RA *  cos(Dec) ]^2 +v_Dec^2 )

    It seems that @Gfamily's result is exact.

    RA speed is v_RA = -7909.5669

    Dec speed is v_Dec = 5325.382

    Dec = 79 + 52/60 + 58.5/3600 =79.8829167

     

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  15. On 30/01/2023 at 01:14, Scooot said:

    Hi all, given the R.A. and Dec apparent motion I’ve been trying to work out how Sky Safari arrived at the Total apparent motion. I originally thought I could use Pythagoras and then realised seconds of arc are not the same as seconds, so allowed for that, but I’m still failing. I guess it’s more complicated than I imagined but I’m now curious. :) 

    Can anyone enlighten me.

    In general, try

    sqrt( (15*v_RA)^2 * [1 + COS(2*Dec) ]/2 +v_Dec^2 ).

    I haven't had time to check my result.

  16. 17 hours ago, BrendanC said:

    I'd like to use a spreadsheet to calculate the distance between ...

     

    3 hours ago, Gfamily said:

    Try this page

    http://www.astronomycafe.net/FAQs/q1890x.html

    And this formula 

    cos(A) = sin(d1)sin(d2) + cos(d1)cos(d2)cos(ra1-ra2)

    After more than a dozen years, an independent check to a formula I posted. Great!

    https://stargazerslounge.com/topic/72948-formula/

    The formula I posted and the formula at astronomycafe are equivalent, as shown by

    cos(ra1 - ra2) = cos(ra1)cos(ra2) + sin(ra1)sin(ra2).

    I also attached an Excel spreadsheet in the above thread.

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