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And a first RGB-HOO processing attempt

The area looks about like this:

There seems to be some uncharted nebula also in Ha at ~07h, 18deg DEC

This time I didn't restrict too much my search on https://planetarynebulae.net/EN/page_recherche.php, but I still could not find anything.

1 hour ago, gorann said:

As far as I know there are no images of the whole Monogem ring, so you are pioneering here. I am amazed that you managed to capture such clear Oiii structures already after an hour. If I was you I would be tempted to capture a few more hours of this apparent ring structure that in your image appears to encircle the PN Hu 6.

Keep up the good work on your amazing project!

There are no images of the whole Monogem ring yet.

I spoke to a friend already and we'll point our lenses the following nights.

The Sigma 135 1.8 and the 2600 mono seem to make a good pair under decent skies.

The outer shells seem to be part of the Monogem ring and Marcel pointed me to https://planetarynebulae.net/EN/page_np.php?id=83 which is the big circle at the top (left). For missing this one, I am to blame, since the information was already available, but I missed it somehow. I believe I filtered for RA 6-7 only and RA for it was 7+. Which seems to be obvious even from my images, but sometimes my mind fails at simple things...

2 hours ago, gorann said:

Really intriguing structures Alex! I think that what you have caught may be parts of an enormous SNR called the Monogem ring. I once caught just a little part of it near Dreyers Nebula. You can read a bit about it on my Astrobin post (https://www.astrobin.com/yzuvc3/B/), and a subsequent news item in Astronomy Now. I suggest you contact Marcel Drechsler that could give some more insight. What equipment did you use to catch the image?

Cheers, Göran

Thanks! I knew you captured a part of the Monogem ring and I also saw some arcs near the Rosette nebula. Perhaps there are simply no images of the full ring in the visual spectrum and they are waiting to be captured.

I'll try to get in touch with Marcel and see if he knows and can share some more info.

This area is a 4 panel composition with a Sigma 135 F/1.8, ToupTek 2600 mono and an Astronomik MaxFr 6nm O[III] filter. 1h exposure / panel. Skies would be SQM ~21.2 in that area, captured at no lower than 30 degrees.

2 hours ago, ollypenrice said:

Whatever they are (and I can't help with that) they are extremely interesting. I wonder if the circular loop, probably a spherical shell, above SNR G206.9 2.3 is associated with the much larger loop which no doubt continues above the region you've already captured.

Keep going!

Olly

Skies and time allowing, I'll add to it. Though I also want to cover the missing panels already covered in Ha and RGB this season.

8 hours ago, carastro said:

I can identify Rosette brightest one.  
Cone Nebula middle towards right in screen shot and just below that also in screenshot attached small nebula IC2169

Hello, Cara! I was asking about those marked with a question mark in my second image in the first post. The common ones can be easily identified.

6 hours ago, Vroobel said:

 

Sorry, I give up. 😭

I believe that the fits header should have also information about coordinates. However, you can use the cone nebula for center, 5.8um for pixel size and 100mm for focal length. Image solver with auto catalog should do the job.

I tried the available catalogues in pixinsight already (except the stars only and galaxies only ones), but without success. I could try to export/import the catalogue at planetary nebula .net, but I checked the nebulae around that RA and Dec and wasn't able to find one.

Perhaps I need to shoot at least 2 more panels towards east to see what's lurking there, but this season is ending very soon.

Just now, Elp said:

Have you tried Aladin:

https://aladin.cds.unistra.fr/

On the Lite version, I find nothing. And I don't know yet how to use the desktop version.

Just now, Vroobel said:

It's doable within the PixInsight if you share an original starry picture.

Here are an unstretched fits and a stretched jpeg.

O3-panels-78910_050.fits

36 minutes ago, Elp said:

Have you tried uploading to astrometry.net

I tried, but astrometry.net provides limited results.

I tried http://cdsportal.u-strasbg.fr/ and browsed around the area in https://planetarynebulae.net/EN/page_recherche.php

If there's a big loop, its center might be somewhere else

I tried (actually still trying) to make a large image from Monoceros to Auriga - from Rosette to Flaming Star in 2x5 panels. Currently, of O[III] I only have 4 panels, but I still tried to put them together to see if the plan is going on properly.

I tried to identify the less know nebulae in the image, but there are a few shells that I cannot identify. I marked the ones I already know. The bright obvious ones I skipped. The ones remaining are contoured and have a question mark nearby.

Can you please help me identify them? Are they part of a larger loop? The Monoceros loop doesn't include them as far as I know.

Thank you and clear skies,

Alex

On 10/04/2023 at 15:01, CraigD1986 said:

You've managed to get a spectacular amount of detail out of that! That's an amazing image for a 5 minute process. If you can remember, could you share your workflow on this? You've got so much out of it, especially in the reds at the top of the image.

I tried removing the stars both before (in linear mode) and after stretching but got similar results each time.

For a quick look of what's going on in a dataset, an usual workflow could be like this:

DBE, crop, background and colour calibration, Blur XT, arcsin/HT stretch, Noise XT at 50-75% with inverse luminance mask, Star XT, additional HT stretch to different level on the RGB channels if needed, maybe a SCNR, then add the stars back with pixelmath and run another Noise XT if needed.

Star XT usually gives a cleaner output compared to Starnet 2. If you're using Starnet v1, try upgrading to Starnet 2, it provides better results.

Can't answer all your questions, but:

The platform doesn't have a true DEC compensation. I tried to do this to my DIY modified platform and it helps only over some sky areas.

iPolar also needs some calibration, at least that's what I remember since I set up for the fist time my iOptron mount.

True north is at ~40 arc minutes between Polaris and Kochab. The full moon is ~30 arc minutes. So the true north is at a distance of 1 1/3 moons away from Polaris, towards Kochab (Little Dipper).

Regarding your original question - have you tried to remove the stars after a stretch?

A 5 minutes play in PixInsight with the XTerminators + LHE and MLT can easily reveal some additional signal and details. Spending more time can improve the outcome, of course.

23 hours ago, Elp said:

Think this one shows it in detail:

https://www.astrobin.com/rfjutc/?q=Rosette widefield

How are you finding the HS?

I can see the arc on the left side in my image in the one you mention, but barely the arc on the right side.

I had some trouble in finding the right backfocus for the C6 Hyperstar, but in the end I found a working distance and the results are on the rather good side. Stars are not perfectly round, though, they are a bit fuzzy, perhaps also due to the cables in front.
It does the job and gathers significant more light than a ~70mm refractor. Plate solve measured focal length is ~315mm. I would prefer a RASA8 and an ASI2600MM, but for now I won't complain.

23 hours ago, gorann said:

Interesting! It seems to  be associated with the Monoceros SNR. You can actually see it in one of the images (Fig. 2) in this paper:

The_Monoceros_Supernova_Remnant.pdf 6.04 MB · 6 downloads

Interesting article! I can hardly see the arc on the right side, not much more visible than in the image Elp linked.

I'll add a few more hours the following clear nights, shifted a few hundred pixels to the north to try to catch it fully.

If I look more carefully, it seems that it is a full oval through the Rosette. Or is it just my imagination?

Saw the other day that @gorann found a large bubble near the cone nebula. I also found a big bubble which I don't recall seeing next to the Rosette nebula. This is a heavy stretch of 3h of O[III] taken with a C6 and hyperstar + an ASI294MM. I need to shoot more and a bit above to catch it entirely.

Have you seen it before? Where and how can I find if there's an already know nebula there?

I surrounded it with orange strikes in the image below.

Exciting, never seen before. Maybe it's time to discover new objects in Monoceros? Found something similar too the other night next to Rosette.

Great image, I really love the closeup around the cone nebula.

I kept myself busy busy lately and not so lately.

But I bought a new computer, this time a real one, not a laptop. It's a Zotac Magnus One with the Intel i5 10400 and an Nvidia RTX3060 to which I added 64GB of RAM.

Its main purpose is for image processing so with this in mind I gave some old data a round of processing. However, I used the disputed blurXterminator and spent some time analyzing if it doesn't introduce details that aren't there in the first place or unobtainable via LR deconvolution. I did not find any issues so I consider it a keeper. By enabling GPU processing for the tensorflow scenarios, using a RAM disk for swap in PixInsight, and using the latest stable Ubuntu version, all AI processes (BXT, StarNet 2, SXT, NXT) are blazing fast, usually taking less than 10s to complete.

BXT does an amazing job, especially on the data shot through an SCT.

This brings me joy since I can complete the processing of an image much faster than before so it's doable again, even with more limited time.

Below is a comparison of almost the same data processed in 2023 and in 2021. For the new version I used also 1:40h of SII assigned to red. 10h of Ha, 10h of OIII, 1:40h of SII and 1h for each LRGB were shot with the C9.25 from Bortle 2 skies in 2021 and the rest up to almost 60h from the backyard with the Skyliner 200p back in 2019.

You can also view the last version on astrobin.

Thanks for reading and watching!

Clear skies!

Alex

9 hours ago, Frogliza said:

Hey, this is a really old thread but I have had the same issue recently, did you find a good back focus distance to get round stars across the entire image?

Hello,

No, I did not find a better backfocus distance, neither pursued this idea, but neither found very good images on the internet with this combo.

I have now also a C9.25 and a Starizona SCT IV Reducer/Corrector and find this combination usable. The Starizona's corrector does a much better job than the Celestron's, which I found useless.

Very beautiful this Almostcopy82

Bun venit si cer senin!

It's been a while since I haven't posted an image here.

We had a bad weather here since November. Until this month I haven't been able to capture enough data for a target so a few will be completed only the following years.

But February has been better and things improved also after I put the hyperstar in front of the C6. If I can get good friends with them, I might bring home one day another sibling for the C9 too.

So, at the border between Orion and Eridanus, I shot 3 panels of Lum, RGB and Ha which I added to ~40 minutes I shot last year in a single panel with a Canon 6D and an Esprit 80.

3 panels of data, each about 2h of lum with the ASI294MM and a Lacerta 72ED, 1h of RGB with a borrowed ASI294MC and my WO GT 71, 1h of lum with the ASI294MM and C6 + hyperstar. All these from travelling to Bortle 3-4 skies. To which I added 1.5-2h of Ha from the city, for each panel.

You can click on the image to view it at full size, visit the astrobin link and watch it also oriented head-up, cropped and resized a bit.

Peace and clear skies!

Alex

Sharpstar is also working on a really small harmonic drive driven mount, Mark I. Only 2.5 Kg

1 hour ago, The Admiral said:

Don't forget to look at the Q&A tab for the AM5 on the ZWO site. Worth a perusal. 94 questions so far!

https://astronomy-imaging-camera.com/product/zwo-am5-harmonic-equatorial-mount

Not sure how different this page is.

https://astronomy-imaging-camera.com/tutorials/am5-faq-35-things-you-want-to-know-about-zwo-am5-mount.html

Ian

The answers 🤣

4 hours ago, centroid said:

No its definitely a fixed M68 attachment Alex. 

The M68 male to M63 female, is a bit of an oddity, and quite uncommon. M68 female to M63 male is readily available.

It seems the only option is from TS Optics in Germany:

https://www.teleskop-express.de/shop/product_info.php/language/en/info/p6692_TS-Optics-M68-System-Adapter-von-M68-auf-M63---Riccardi-Anschlussadapter.html

No stock anywhere in the UK, and although FLO offered to order one in from TS, in the interest of expedience, I have ordered direct from TS.

I'll get there in the end 😅

 

The TS Photoline 102 ED doublet has a 2.5" focuser ending with an M63 female which is then converted to M68. I wasn't aware of that so I bought the adapter too that you shared above, without actually needing it.

40 minutes ago, centroid said:

It seems that I'm really not meant to use this flattener 🙄

Having received the flattener, promptly from FLO, I found that I needed an M48 to M42 adapter to attach the camera, so I ordered one from FL, which again came very promptly.

This morning I went to fit the flattener to the scope, only to find that the focuser tube has a female M68 thread, and not the more usual M63.  The flattener is M63 male.

So I need an M68 male to M63 female adapter. Not a common adapter, whereas the reverse gender is.

It looks like it is a TS Optics item, and quite expensive for what it is too, but needs must I guess, and unfortunately, not a FLO stock item.

Check first if the last element on the focuser is not screwed. It might be an M63 -> M68 conversion. If you remove it, then you get an M63 and you can insert directly your reducer.

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