That's good to know, thanks Dave. I have had a bit of joy guiding now - my first attempt was very erratic because I forgot to change the speed and it was all over the place but I was pleased to track a star in PhD none the less! My second attempt I adjusted to sidereal and the graph was much better but during my attempt at a ten minute exposure the scope ended up near a street light as Pleiades was so low in the sky and completely washed the image out! I think my main problem is my combination of a quickcam pro 4000 with the 800mm guide scope which gives me a very small fov - the pixel scale is 1.44 ish - and even when I was looking at Pleiades, I still struggled to find a star. When I tried to slew to other targets I couldn't find any stars again even though I could see them in my finder scope. I think this is a fov and sensitivity of the web cam problem, it just doesn't seem to be able to pick up anything other than very bright stars. I mount my guide scope on top of the imaging scope with a homemade bracket. I'm very happy with the solidity and lack of flexure but, I have no adjustment on it. My next project (now I know that it does work to a point) is to add some adjustment to the bracket so I can centre the guide scope properly and perhaps offset it to find a bright guide star that would otherwise not be in the fov. Thanks for all the advice on the matter, I'm up and running but, I still have work to do! I managed to track a random area of the sky for ten minutes yesterday with no trailing so I must be on the right track!! Gary.