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thanks Shaun, it was still not dark enough to get 20sec subs at 12 oclock ,it was 1am before I could go over a minute, ill be glad when its October and we can start at 9pm, I'm a bit worried at keeping the nextdoor nabours up with the noise of the rig and shutter, its not loud but at 2am you can hear a mouse let wind.
hope you have clear. charl.