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Everything posted by PatrickGilliland

  1. You can also download Alladin Sky Atlas http://aladin.u-strasbg.fr/ I find it very useful for rare objects and the overlays are very helpful. It can also link through to Simbad for various additional data feeds. It is a little clunky but worth the effort.
  2. While Olly provided a substantially more elegant presentation I agree, it is the advent of technology that actually moved us away from having to use observatories (other peoples gear) to being able to use our back gardens. There are many forms of evolution - as long as your chosen route provides you with progression, you are transparent on sources and most importantly of all, you enjoy the hobby, the variety should be welcomed and encouraged IMO.
  3. In response to that the users choose in live mode, they chose targets and how many subs from templates options - specifics can be submitted for targets that require a specific consideration. The basic model is a little more than is required just to be sure Here is an example of what I could do with the data.
  4. I would be happy to oblige - will clear it with the powers that be as to whether we can do here - great idea
  5. Guys - I think the point was I was confused, the fact you were not is clear. I fully accept that the source post may have been construed as advertising but I was only inviting SGL user to come and find me to talk about processing, to be honest, I did not even stop to think about telling them where to find me was an issue. A gentle word in my ear and I would have happily amended the post(the rest was dealt with by email and no need to be in the public forum). My confusion lies with the fact I can post the image but I can't say where I took it as if I do I may be construed as advertising. My customers can (many reference DSW here already for example) given the experience 'I' chose not to post so as not to create any issues (and yes I did take exception to my treatment previously but I am happy to move on from that). As per the original moderator post if I can reference the image source all is well and I can post if not I will continue to refrain. Clarification on that point would be appreciated as I am still not sure, hence the use of the word confused. Anyway, I suggest we get back onto Peter's original topic It was quite interesting I thought and the side issues are detracting from the threads topic.
  6. Agree to disagree :). I do respect your views and those who share, I have been that person but ultimately the constraints became too much for me. Some people just chose to be different or do something different. Whether people feel this is OK or a lesser form of the hobby is not really important. We are all in the same hobby and should concentrate on the fun it brings. I mean I am sitting down with an exercise on neutron stars and the gravitational impact on other bodies for lunch, how much more fun can one have
  7. I'll second that 100% and then double your original 100% estimate to get closer to the truth! Not within the reach of all - other options just provide a route to that data - you lose some perks like full control but you are still sharing the control in some respects. Or to put another way, it normalises the playing field to a degree, those elite remote setups that where unobtainable can actually be accessed by the general public now. Seems like a nice option to have if it is your preference.
  8. I am fully on board with the point of view some may have that AP for them is the whole package from setup through to the final image. It is one avenue or approach to the hobby. However, I do not feel the need to judge someone because they are satisfied with another approach. Some people like coffee or even going for a run, both very odd things to me . Everyone is of course entitled to their personal views and to participate in the hobby in their prefered way. Likewise, we are all entitled to or dislike the choices of others. At the end of the day we are all participating in the same hobby and my view is I would rather acknowledge and respect the views and approaches of others. I certainly don't feel the need to knock the ambitions of others and question what satisfies them. Nonsense - If you pay for a ready meal is that only half yours? You purchase copyrighted raw data and the image you make is entirely yours to do with as you see fit. I advocate declaring the source and being open and transparent, not trying to fool anyone. I try to make the best image I can on a given target. In fact, if others are using the same data then there is an additional 'processing' challenge in trying to be at the top of that pyramid. If there are 5 good versions from the same data set, producing one of the better ones is actually very challenging. A challenge I love and honestly believe is one of the key factors that has helped me become a half decent processor. So in simple terms, if your view is AP is the collection and processing great, if you have other ways to enjoy the hobby that is great too. I am in no position to judge and never would judge. Instead encouraging everyone possible to enjoy the hobby as they see fit or can is far more important and more productive. I have a project starting later in the year introducing shared set ups to schools as a demonstration of this philosophy, should they feel somehow cheated as the data is 'not just theirs?' or encouraged to engage more? It is only with the advent of quality CCD/DLSR and latterly CMOS technology that this hobby became something you could do at home. Prior to that it would have been perfectly acceptable and often required to go to a professional observatory - the approach of shared data is actually older than home data, it was acceptable before so I struggle to see the issue now. Or justify in the UK at times. I have what I called the most expensive shed in Worcester as for 98% of the time the roof is closed and that is all it is. Moving it all abroad is not a cheap option. If you want more regular data, practice or consistent quality remote options are there for that. If you enjoy home based and are prepared for the frustration then press on with it. There is a thrill the first x times you pull down an image yourself, but to be frank that for me became less of an achievement in time once I had the skills. But I would want every AP person of any preference to experience that thrill. In time though the effort and lower quality becomes frustrating and you end up with a hobby that severly comprimised. Agreed - with respect to all those struggling (I have been one of those) I honestly feel about 2% of my work is in the capture. It is a mechanical process of setting up, getting it working and then to be frank leaving it to do its thing, normally while I sleep! I have set up pretty much every type of scope and really it is just a pre-requisite activity. Like learning to drive. Now its something that is just second nature and of little importance to me. I focus the bulk of my energies on the processing and this leads to better results for me. But then I am all about the image and finding the extra something in each data set. I am, in many respects the polar opposite of those who will only do backyard, I often simply do not process data that is compromised in any way as it is contrary to my objectives. Ultimately it is just a different way to enjoy the same hobby, whether you like it, tolerate it or are against it. Whichever camp you are in the approach is here to stay and will most likely become more common as people choose to supplement their data or find access to superior equipment and skies. As someone said above 'Each to their own' - People are different, have different views and different objectives. But we are all in the same hobby so I will stick with supporting all those involved, I'll even make them a coffee while discussing (still weird to me though)
  9. I have neither the inclination or interest in insinuation (sounds like subterfuge to me and I would only get confused ) - after deletion incident, I was confused with what I could post so "I chose" to avoid any issues and not post. Without explicit clarification it was not worth the risk or effort- I'll take this as approval and will resume though if in agreement? As to why this thread - hopefully in a suitably constrained manner seemed appropriate to have 'the right to reply' and offer an opinion along with some calrifications. On the plus side if we are all good then keep the eyes peeled for some images. Thanks
  10. I'll take it under advisement Had posts removed previously so do not want a repeat of that. I can stick to the talking until I am sure. Paddy
  11. Thanks - though in a limited capacity. Not sure I can even post my pictures here as it may be seen as promotional so will avoid that. Personally, I have no interest in participation prizes, should I win something I would like to to be on merit and merit alone. Haha, that was me (on day one) - sorry! That sort of thing is easy to overcome, but then in winter if you get three good M42's appear from different sources some knock that too. I quite like the challenge of same data though and it keeps me on my toes, if other people produce better images from the same data then it is time for me to go back to the drawing board and figure out what I can do to improve. Like a hidden sub challenge for me. Ultimately I would never want to take away the joy of doing it yourself. In fact, I have a project starting with schools later this year aimed at just that. Just about options, and they are never bad to have.
  12. It is a matter of perspective an objective for me. I still have my UK scopes as well as those in Spain - the masochistic side of me still enjoys getting a scope up and working but I made a decision I wanted to become a better processor. As with most hobbies practice, repetition and gradual improvement was the process required. Under UK skies this was not going to happen, I was seriously hampered and without a change, this would have always been the case. Not to mention having high value equipment I very rarely used!! I then thought about the challenge and realised a remote set up with a more consistent supply of data was the only way forward. Any further comment would fall into advertising I suspect, suffice to say the 'rest of it' came about as I thought if a was doing why not provide others with the chance to share that opportunity. With the practice under my belt I now feel capable of doing the data I do collect justice. For me, the final product is what I enjoy, the creation of what I hope is a good image. I needed the consistent data as a pre-requisite and set on a course to provide a framework that could provide. I don't expect this will appeal to everyone and that is to be expected in a hobby with so much diversity, I have no bias to what people prefer and enjoy all aspects of the hobby. If you chose any service that is 'not your backyard' then you will have typically done so for a purpose, be it a target you can't get from home or for a more regular supply of data. I don't think we have one customer who is still not actively practising with there own gear. People subscribe as a supplement for various reason including adding to their local work or a means to have better or more frequent data, occasionally better skies will help resolve targets that can't easily be imaged. It is just another avenue to explore within the hobby - it works for some and for others not so much Being careful not to advertise but this is an option available to users. And that is all I think I can safely say to that Technically this is correct - you don't get to pick but neither do I. This is software algorithms picking the right target in the right part of the sky at the right time of the month. However, target selection is purely down to client base, yes it has to be weighted and shared but you will get some of your personal selections. It is a balance iTelescope provides your personal target selection route. Dataset type operations try to balance subscriber requests fairly and give as much 'personal' as possible for the money spent. Typically to receive the same number of personalised targets from iTelescopes costs a lot more (factors of 10 involved!) than the data set option. Again, objective (and budget) driven. (again trying to avoid advertising - just responding to a comment)Yes it's true a few hiccups have been encountered (I know Mike meant no ill with that comment) - we have, I believe been very transparent about all developments Issue 1, an MS update totally killing a PC and its back up! Gone a little OTT now and have multiple redundant spares on site, Issue 2, One scope had a chance for improvements so we took that, it meant it was in limbo for a while but it is now resolved. Lessons have been learnt, along with some that have not impacted subscribers. However, we are being fair and realistic about these challenges and have not yet put any scopes into a live state. So those who do use us receive free data until the scope is proven to be in a fully operational state. Only when proven to be in a proven live state does the subscription period start, until then it's all free bonus data . Likewise, we may of course, encounter issues in the future, we have so many back-up plans in place it verges on ludicrous (such as full replacement setups on site) but something will always crop up that was not expected. In these scenarios (if the scope is live) we just extend the subscription out into the future to make up for the downtime. We are a new startup and really appreciate the support of our clients. Seems only right to ensure they get what they paid for and a little extra bonus seems wholly appropriate. Thanks AKB - it is not the solution for all as pointed out. It is an option for some with objectives that can be met by the solution, be it location, consistency or even budgetary. Another option is we all move as you said (Wonder what houses cost in Chile.....)
  13. Very nicely done Richard, everything looks spot on from here, you must be pleased?
  14. Nice work Mike like the Pacman in widerfield a lot.
  15. Nicely done Tim - and you have kept it red too, even better
  16. Nice great detail and the brightness is controlled very well
  17. Very nice Sara - the effort paid off. Some great detail in there.
  18. Think you had it easy with so few issues, don't know what you are complaining about :). Nice first outing for the winter.
  19. NIce work Goran looks like another great Samyung being well used there.
  20. That's nice at that scale and some nice outer detail as well
  21. NIce work - agree a tweak to the green my find more range but that's a preference thing rather than a requirement
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