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5 hours ago, wxsatuser said:

If you have a good VHF site, highish and in the clear I don't see why not, worth a try.

I can hear it, albeit I'm closer but it does'nt beam my way and my location is low down.

Looking at the GB3VHF website, there is a report from a user in Chippenham, which is further west than me, so I’m feeling confident! Will give it a go when I’m up at the Observatory next. 

38 minutes ago, wxsatuser said:

You could try GB3VHF on 144.430MHz, it's in Kent near Wrotham and one beam is aimed 288degs.
I would think it should be audible near you if you have reasonable site.

It is GPS locked so should be very stable and bang on frequency.
Tune USB to 144.429MHz and you can adjust the carrier to that frequency.
As well as a carrier/morse you may hear some JT65B signals.
Morse starts every odd minute past the hour for 13seconds and JT65B every even minute past the hour for 48secs.

That’s very helpful, thank you Mike. So if I point the aerial towards Wrotham (basically east from where I am), I should be able to pick up that signal, hopefully?

On 24/11/2020 at 14:31, johnb said:

Gav how is it going, are you making progress ?

 

 

Regards

John B

Hi John, sorry, I missed this message during the week. Thank you for the contact.

I have just moved the whole system to the Observatory this afternoon where it will be properly installed (eventually) and the airwaves already seem to be much clearer. The aerial is still indoors (in the Obsy warm room), but it's nice and isolated up there. I will move it outdoors once I have a reliable system to fix it down!

This is the aerial in its new home:

It seems to be capturing much better 'pings'. Here is an example:

and its associated audio file: event20201128_151559_11.wav

Here's another ping, or is it??

and the audio: event20201128_154137_16.wav

What do you reckon to that event?

Everything is still being registered at 2300 Hz above 143048000, which is 300 Hz higher than the GRAVES signal. I think that the Funcube dongle must be slightly out with its tuning numbers. I see that there is a setting to make a global alteration to account for this, but I need a single test frequency to lock on to and make the adjustment. Do you know of a suitable frequency that I could use?

All in all, I think that the system is working quite well now and I look forward to seeing what it captures over the next few days and nights.

Thanks,

Gav.

49 minutes ago, wxsatuser said:

Sounds a bit odd to me and it's 400Hz off frequency

I don't know what it should sound like, but from what I've heard so far, it isn't that odd! As for it being off frequency - all the 'meteor events' it is recording are pretty much at that frequency, give or take. I presumed that the dongle is just slightly off and I haven't plugged in an offset value yet - is that fair?

I used the @johnb settings file (thank you John!), modified it slightly for my set up and let it run through the night. Here is an example of what I have found this morning:

event20201108_064441_3.wav

WARNING - the wav file is quite loud!

Things seem to be working nicely now. Thank you @johnb for your help. 

The system only captured three screenshots through the night, so I guess it was pretty quiet on the meteor front. It did save quite a few wav files, but listening to them there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the majority of them. Lots more tinkering to do to get this all working perfectly, but it's rather exciting to be detecting meteor reflections already!

@johnb - fabulous, thank you for the .usr file and for the link to that excellent thread. I will try loading your usr file and see how it goes. Thank you!

@johnb - John, I'm wondering if you could share the code that you use to determine the meteor duration, please? I can see the various lines of code in the Screen Capture Options / Conditional  Actions tab, and I can see that the current code that I have is definitely not a duration, but I don't see how to make it tally up a duration. Please help!

The other thing that I am struggling with is triggered audio capture - I would love to save a .wav file of the audio around a meteor detection, but for the life of me I can't work out how to make that happen. Any clues would be most welcome!

Thank you,

Gav.

2 hours ago, johnb said:

Its so rewarding once it al comes together, im no expert but happy to help if you need it, spent a lot of time perfecting my own setup - nut when it works

John

 

Thank you John.

That screen capture looks excellent and has good information in the marker text. I have tried to work out the settings in SpecLab, but I am far from confident. It would be very interesting to see what settings you are using to obtain that kind of result, please.

34 minutes ago, andrew s said:

Glad to see you have it working. Regards Andrew 

Thank you Andrew. I'm waiting for the IT Department to provide me with a computer and then I will be able to install the system at the Observatory and introduce the pupils to it all. My target has always been to have everything up and running in place for the Geminids - I still have a bit of time!

The system appears to be working. It ran all night and registered 34 events. Here are a couple of the screenshots:

The next challenge is to suss out Colorgramme and get it to generate a 'heat map' automatically... no doubt there will be more questions on their way very soon!

Thank you to the various people who have helped me get this far.

1 hour ago, wxsatuser said:

If your using SSB set the dongle to 143.049MHz and then the signal should appear at 1khz and at least you know where it is and it's GRAVES.
You should be able to calibrate the dongle when you get a few hits and get the signal on 1khz as near as possible.

I have it set to 143.048 MHz, so GRAVES pings are appearing at (or around) 2kHz, which they are appearing to.

2 hours ago, Tomatobro said:

I would put money on it that its a meteor. Frequency is right and duration looks good.

Congratulations

Thank you, I'll take that as definitive confirmation - hurrah, my first 'ping' !!!

2 hours ago, Ibbo! said:

Yes I was, it used to work fine but I am struggling with it this time around.That one was on the old PC and from 2016.

I got the dongle last year and fiddled with it and could not get it to work so it went in a box.

I am in the process of decorating and during the tidy round re- discovered the dongle (any excuse to avoid the D word) and this time I got it working but am struggling as it only giving a short "ping" , the sound is difficult to pick from the background mush and SL is not picking it up on the conditional actions.

I'm happy to hear that you have a perfect excuse to put down the paintbrushes! Good luck with getting it all working again. It is very much a dark art for me at the moment - it is slowly starting to make some sense, but if I open the settings panel in SL, I have mild palpitations of panic!

39 minutes ago, Ibbo! said:

Here is a good one I got from my old Yupiteru, the USB dongle is not so goods so far.

Turn volume down first.

Meteor20160802134859.wav 515.79 kB · 3 downloads

Thank you Steve, yes, that is pretty clear! Were you using Spectrum Lab to capture?

OK, thank you. It just registered another small event, but didn't record any sound... back to the settings!

1 minute ago, wxsatuser said:

You may have wave files, have a look in the directories to see if there are any.

I know my SL did wave files.

There was nothing there, but I have ticked the triggered wave files output option. Hopefully that will record the next event. 

What will a meteor sound like?!

11 minutes ago, wxsatuser said:

Are you recording the sound, if so it should be easy to tell.

Oh gosh, if I am I have no idea where to!

Oh My God... we have a hit (I think!)...

This looks far more as I was expecting - is this a meteor?

1 minute ago, Tomatobro said:

I see the setting you have is 143028 khz which I suspect means that the data is displayed off the screen. I use 143048 khz. (The Eyes are the first to go they say)

Well spotted, though the frequency was always set to 143048 kHz, but the text used for the frequency display in the screenshot was set to 143028 kHz - I have changed that now.

29 minutes ago, Tomatobro said:

I am on my other laptop and have attached my SDR settings list which might help. This is using the free software SDR-radio

dongle set.txt 670 B · 1 download

Thank you for that - I will have a detailed look and compare with my settings.

I have connected to the FCD by SDR# and I can definitely pick up Radio 2 (the second round of Popmaster is what I heard!!), so that is good. I have altered the gain to 25 and the waterfall in SpectrumLab now looks better in that it has blue specks in it. The lighter spark trick was registering in SDR# too, though not showing up in SpectrumLab. I am now just waiting for a meteor to be detected...

Thank you for your help so far.

7 minutes ago, wxsatuser said:

Get the ant outside and lower the elevation.

 

Thank you - I did wonder whether I was shooting myself in the foot by keeping the antenna inside!

14 minutes ago, Tomatobro said:

It did take me a while to figure out all the settings. To check out everything I would just use the SDR waterfall to start with and don't forget to set the gain on the dongle (about 25 is ok for my system). In the early days I used Bandicam to record half hour sessions of the screen and next morning scroll though each AVI to see if I captured something.

If you have one of those gas lighters that emit a spark when the lever is squeezed then that should give you an artificial signal to test the system 

Thank you, I’ll look at the gain setting and give the lighter trick a go!

Thanks to a very kind hearted soul on here, I have an aerial and a Funcube Pro+ dongle to try and detect meteors using the GRAVES radio frequency. Initial set up is in progress and of course, it's never quite as simple as I would like, though I had never expected it to be easy! I hope that you will be able to help me in my journey.

The aerial is built and the FCP+ is connected to the PC. I am using FCHID2 to tune the FCP+ and have set it to 143048 kHz. I have that feeding into Spectrum Lab v2.95 with the settings file downloaded from the Society for Popular Astronomy's Radio Meteor Observing set up guide (https://www.popastro.com/main_spa1/meteor/radio-meteor-observing-2020/). First of all I tested the set up on a radio station frequency using the settings from Paul Hyde's old Sky At Night article (https://britastro.org/sites/default/files/BBC_SatN_HOWTOOBSERVEMETEORS.pdf) and it checked out ok, with the waterfall showing bright and full lines. The signal generator in SpectrumLab creates an event on the waterfall too. I reverted to the meteor detection settings and let it run over night. Here is the temporary set up in my office, you will see that the aerial is carefully aligned to 130º azimuth and 17º altitude!

To my amazement it has registered quite a few events in the event log. An example line is: "03:09:17, 2, -82.5, -89.6, 2316.3, 2", needless to say I am not totally sure what those numbers mean. As far as I can work out they are: event time stamp, don't know, max amplitude, min amplitude, frequency, duration. Is that correct? There is also a folder in the Spectrum folder called 'screenshots' which has a collection of screenshots, though it doesn't have one for every event in the event log. The problem is that the screenshots don't appear to show anything for the meteor event beyond a text label. Here is an example:

It looks like the event I detailed from the event log above is 'Meteor 2' in the screenshot, but how come I can't see any associated 'ping' on the waterfall? I guess it is probably a settings thing, but I have next to no clue what all the settings are in Spectrum Lab, so any help at all would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Gav.

7 hours ago, RichardHurst said:

Hi. I’d say I’m reasonably experienced, currently have a 6” RC with guide camera on top and can guide at around 0.78 in PHD2 without too much hassle. Also have a 72EDF which is simple enough. Just want to get something with a longer reach 

In that case, give it a go. The mount can cope with the mass, so long as you balance it well and don’t put too many peripherals on there. You can guide with a separate guide scope, but you’ll end up wanting to go down the OAG route. Good luck. 

Ok, astrophotography with the EdgeHD 8” on an HEQ5 is possible, but it is not the easiest of activities to pursue! I certainly wouldn’t recommend it as the way to start astrophotography. How experienced are you already?

If you do go down that route, you will definitely want to use an off-axis guider. I tried every method possible and the only viable option is off axis! Even that is ‘sub-optimal’ as my Edge 8” with a QSI-683 CCD requires a guiding error of around 0.2 to 0.3 “/pixel. That is partly why I changed to a Mesu 200 mount, which can give me about 0.25”/px error with that setup on a very clear, transparent and stable night... which happens very occasionally! Having said that, it is definitely possible to image with the EdgeHD 8” on a well tuned HEQ5 Pro. Good luck and I look forward to hearing how you progress.