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Jupiter with Celestron Neximage 5


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blog-0220676001357191124.jpgNew Year's Eve 2012, was chilly around 2 degrees C. But the skies were improving and Jupiter was shining through the thin cloud cover.

I had just picked up a 'Celestron Neximage 5' and was hoping it would clear enough to give it a run.

I set up the CGEM and put the C9.25 on board. Jupiter was in and out the clouds as I hooked up the Neximage.

Flashback

About 2 years ago I was imaging with a pocket digital camera (a Pentax Optio E30). I had surprisingly good results from this non astro camera.

But eventually I seemed to hit a barrier on improvements. The images were noisy and I couldn't get past a certain level.

I figured when I upgraded my DSLR to one that shoots video, the better chip would be lower noise and higher quality and would take me to the next level.

Survey says XX.

It just didn't turn out that way. The images seemed to have almost no colour and were not even quite as good as those from the $150 Pentax.

The cost of a real planet camera was out of reach, so I fell away from it. Recently observing Jupiter I decided I needed to try imaging again.

I decided to try a planet camera instead of messing around with not astro cameras. I still can't justify the money for a high end camera, but saw the Celestron Neximage 5 - a 5 MegaPixel Planet Camera. I reasoned if this can improve my imaging over the other cameras, the next step will be a monochrome cooled camera.

I'm not expecting brilliant results, but do hope to see an improvement over previous efforts.

Back to New Year's Eve

I removed the eyepiece and put the Neximage 5 in its place. On the computer I could see Jupiter a s a large cloud, I refocused and it was just a few turns of the stock focuser to bring Jupiter to focus. Jupiter was still facing in and out of the clouds. I hit the record button quick to at least capture a few frames.

I changed the resolution up to 2592 x 1944 and Jupiter looked huge on screen. Over the next two hours I captured about 20 video clips of Jupiter.

I twice put the camera away only to be wowed visually and sparked into taking more video. However, later all the videos turned out to be low resolution.

I had tried many different resolution settings on-screen but they had all come out at low res!

Meanwhile back at the scope, I decided to bring out the new 10" Lightbridge. I recently sold my 6" Explore Scientific Refractor and picked up a Lightbridge.

I used a 5mm 2" Ultima LX eyepiece for 255x on the Lightbridge. The view was excellent, Jupiter was crisp and 5 belts were visible. As far as I could tell there was no GRS or other large features on the nearside of Jupiter. I compared the view in the 10" Lightbridge with the 9.25" SCT. The view looked the same to me, I couldn't really see any difference - I was using 184 x (13mm Ultima 2") in the SCT.

I decided to look for Comet 2012 K5/Linear. I googled the coordinates and punched them into the CGEM Handcontroller. I slewed there and hunted around for a few minutes. Then just below two faint stars there it was - a small but distinct cloud. I observed it for a few minutes before moving back to Jupiter.

I tried an OIII filter in the Lightbride to look at The Orion Nebula. The Trapezium almost disappeared, but the nebula eppeared larger and more extended.

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I figured out the problem with the resolution on The Neximage5. You have to uncheck the 'Compression' option on the File Save parameters.

That setting prevents the files being saved in higher resolutions.

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I've just bought one of these. Still waiting for a clear night! Have you experimented with 'Binning' and 'Roi' yet? There are so many settings on this thing compared to my old webcam I don't know where to start.

By the way I've modified mine with the DFK72 firmware (It's just a rebranded Imaging Source DFK72), anyway it gives more options including Long Exposures. When running in 5MP mode with a long exposure it might be able to produce some half decent DSO images..

PS - I have the same scope, so we should be able to get comparative results.

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The wifi on the ferry here just lost my huger spiel of a comment.

Good to hear someone else is at the same level of experimenting!

How are The DFK and The Neximage able to share firmware?

Good luck imaging!

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Because inside they are the same...

I'm going to try mine out for the first time tonight if the clouds move! I'll share my feedback regarding settings :-)

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I think there's some good potential with these cameras. I need to experiment more with all the different resolutions and Binning options available. I can't even remember what setting I used for this one??

Make sure you nail your focus and collimation. You need to get these as spot on as possible to get the details.

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My limited experimentation so far is that I get the best results running a 3x barlow in 4x Binning mode. Running without a barlow in normal 640x480 works ok too. I've struggled to use the barlow and increase the resolution behond 640x480 and achieve good results. I think the higher resolutions will come into their own when Lunar imaging. I think this will make a fantastic camera for the Moon.

I also found you need to manually set the White balance and play with the R G B channels to get nice colours as above. Try to get the gaps between the bands white and the rest of the colour works out.

Please let me know how you get on.. You're the only other person on this board I know who also has one of these cameras!

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Was out last night and shot rafts of video with the Neximage5. I also tried some with my Nikon D5100 DSLR in Video Mode connected via T-Ring to an 8mm Celestron Zoom E.P. I know I don't know the Neximage5 yet, but on the initial results, the DSLR is beating the Planet Cam. I shot lots of higher resolutions with the Planet Cam - I assumed that's how you got such a large Jupiter. The Videos are all green. I can fix them in PS or NEB but this can't be good for quality. Sounds like I need to Barlow up - just got the new Celestron Luminous 2" 2.5x Barlow. But I do already have Jupiter at a reasonable size. Just not seeing any detail in the clouds - and visually too, not seenig the detail. Collimation must be close but perhaps its not optimal. Bought an external drive to run the video onto at the scope - its drop proof, water proof - just as well because I knocked it off my accessory case first time out. I set maximum frames 2000 on the Neximage5 - which resulted in 3.99 GB files. Although Registax can see these files - its warns 'Unknown Frame Count' Then bombs out when I try to Align them. Running into a lot of niggly issues so far.

Next time out I will need to drop the resolution, hopefully that will drop the file size into the useable zone, and barlow up with the 2.5x. Will see how that works out.

If can close to your example above I would be well pleased! Got some good skies for the next few days here in BC (Canada). Good Seeing

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You need to adjust the R G B sliders in the camera settings to get rid of the green.

So far a 3x barlow in 4x binning mode has worked best. Without a barlow then 640x480 worked for me too.

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Some retries on processing. I think the DSLR is beating my new planet cam because I'm new to the planet cam and still need to learn the best settings.

But at least I'm learning a little more about processing in Registax while I am figuring out the camera.

Need another clear sky outting with Jupiter - maybe tonight, its looking good.

Jupiter 10 Jan 13  - with C9.25 and Nikon D5000

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From an email I sent.. thought there might be something useful.

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Sorry for the delayed reply. I'll tell you what I've discovered so far.

Normally I use sharpcap, however the binning mode didn't seem to work, so I have been using icap so far.

The first thing I needed to change was the white balance values. I adjusted to get the gaps between the bands to look whiteish.

Unselect Auto whiteBalance and start with values like: R=79, G=47, B=68. I left colour enhancement turned on.

I use gain somewhere around 40-50, and then adjust the exposure to get Jupiter looking well exposed. (something like 1/34 - 1/15)

I've been using Format Avi, and DV Video Encoder, however I haven't experimented with the compression tyres yet. Let me know what works best for you.

Resolution I've been using either 640x480 without a barlow, or with a 3x barlow using 640x480 with 4x binning. The latter giving best results. I haven't been able to use the barlow without the binning and higher resolutions. I can't get a good enough image. I suspect the higher resolutions will work well for lunar imaging though!

Let me know how you get on and what settings have worked best for you!

Further regarding compression settings..

If you goto Record Video File -> Settings -> Video Compressor You can select uncompressed and then RGB32. That's probably going to produce the best image, but large file sizes. However I haven't experimented.

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Having just bought the Neximage 5 and floundering a bit on how to set it up this thread is a godsend!

I tried my Nex 5 tonight on Jupiter and yes, I got the green cast too. Figured out that the white balance wasn't right, have turned it off but haven't tried it out on the planet yet.

Thanks for sharing the settings. Was't too sure about the binning...

regards

Dan

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7 years. Where did that go!

I've just dug all my old kit out and trying to remember how it all works.

I'm surprised to see the Neximage 5 is still being sold by Celestron (at an increased price!).

I would have expected sensor technology to have moved on in that time, it's come along leaps and bounds in the mobile phone world.

Anyway I'm back after my interlude.

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I found this blog interesting and was good to see an image taken with this camera.

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